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everyone thinks u only have to build a dragon deck a certain way. well i wanted to use crucible of fire, best way imo, use the smaller dragons and make a true dragon tribal. so with that said, comments?? suggestions?? yah front page:D 12/14/11 thx yall.
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Since you have Dragon Fodder you may consider putting Voracious Dragon in to do some damage. Rorix Bladewing may also be a creature you could add in. Kuldotha Rebirth could be used to destroy your Wellsprings.
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good deck. but id throw in some seething song's and geosurge and some really REALLY crucial dragons. earthquake + dragons is awesome though. good job. check out my dragon deck if you want some ideas.
thx i have already seen urs and left some suggestions for ya =]. bigger dragons rnt what i am going for though.
I would replace dragon fodder for kuldotha rebirth so you can get more use out of your artifacts. I would also take out crucible fire for geosurge too
thnx for the comments guys. yes i can easily make it into about 90% other dragon decks using bigger dragons, geosurge and seething song. but that isnt the point behind the deck. its to use the lower cost dragons with crucible of fire to pump them up. shiv is just a big back up really. i might consider using kuldotha i would agree i think it will have more uses thx. though voracious wont fit the over all design of the deck. lol yah i thought that would be a nice board wipe card :D
I respect you for wanting to keep it your own way.
lol thx i did switch to kuldotha instead of dragon fodder though. that did help out.
Cheaper and better! =D especially with the wellsprings.
lol yes i agree with ya there=D
I saw the link to your deck on Jund Dragons from alzorius. Everything you said was correct. This deck seems rather consistant. You look like you know what your doing. Im glad you don't make the noob mistake of having useless ramp in here. cause what most people don't realize is that if you use seething song to put out a dragon turn 5 and then they doomblade it, you just 2 for 1'ed yourself. i like the addition of Kuldotha rebirth cause it gives you chump blockers and card advantage. My only suggestions would be to put in a few more dragons, like 2-3, and take out gitaxian probe, it seems like it has no real purpose in the deck. other than that great job. i give it thumbs up
thx im glade ya like it. it is fairly consistant. yes i could add some bigger dragons but that would make it more like any other dragon deck plus think of it this way. im about to play lets say shivan dragon but against a blue player idk if he really has that mana leak or not. best way to find out is to use gitaxian probe. no threat = dragon hittin the board. its really just a draw/ precaution against blue decks. thx again for checkin it out at least=]
I just have one question for you. If gitaxian probe is just a precaution vs a certain kind of deck wouldn't it belong sideboard? I see the point as a draw / information gatherer, but will it be useful against non blue decks? Personally I would move gitaxian to side and bring in shock or arc trail (for tokens mainly, may not be an issue in your meta). Also have you looked at balefire dragon as a replacement flameblast? Doesn't require the pump that flameblast does, so you are free to inflate the whelp and can clear the board at the same time, something that flameblast can't do. All in all though, this is a nice dragon deck. Dargons are one of those iconic creatures that all to often get left behind because they are too costly or too hard to play. Nice to see somebody giving them some love. Keep up the good work.
what about a couple dragonspeakers make those dragons hit the board a little faster or atleast another Target or threat for your opponents
yah i have been thinking about that. i might could drop two of each whelp for at least 2 speakers, not sure though.
Nice deck. Please check and comment mine U/R ;) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=230806
doesn't this deck have way too few dragons for a "true" dragon tribal deck? just a thought =)
no not really. it has a total of 10. its just easier to use the smaller dragons, less problems with trying to summon them. and i do have this deck it works very well. thx for the comment
the ratio isnt that bad actually, but if you need more dragons, try adding in sarrkhan vol. it needs a forest to play but it does summon five 4/4 dragons, itll go well with crucible of fire too. and if you want to play big dragons use dragon storm its quite mana costy but it has storm, with all your lgithining bolts itll do the trick, and i agree to add in a seething song... but your dragon deck looks really well built, i mean 4 mana dragon welp, then it insastntly gets pumped to a 5/5, really nice
bahahaha yah i have a diff deck that uses vol, sigh wish i had him.. and i do have a dstorm so i thought this would be a nice change from the norm. yah its pretty funny, ppl see the crucible and assume big dragon and out pops a couple whelp. lol thx
no problem, but it looks really good, do you think you have any suggestions for my bros dragons deck? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=270891 and it would be awesome if you could put in some thought on my decks too, im kind of new to this stuff so im getting as much input as i can.... when my bro saw this deck he was in love hahaha
txh and sure im always glade to help new players. i have taught many ppl how to play the game. haha well thx, i have more dragon based decks all ya have to do is click on my name. i kinda have an upwards of 30 or so different dragons include multiple copies and u can almost double that:P
weeow man thanks alot!! :D, i appretiate the help ..
Why not use Evolving Wilds or Terramorphic Expanse. Why pay a life when you don't have a legendary land or something that you are trying to pull out. if its just a basic land no need for life loss
Nevermind. I suppose its worth 1 life for 1 mana since those two bring it in tapped
yup i thought the same thing but that whole not into play tapped helps. unfortuantly thats one part to the deck i dont have mostly b/c its way too expensive lol.
Yeah lol. For some reason Multicolored lands and the like are super expensive
lol its bc of the big tournaments that make the lands so expensive as well as most of the baddest cards in the game lol
Looks pretty good. I might add some mana acceleration like Seething Song or Geosurge, but with the Rebirths providing short game it might not be needed. Just made an extraction and could use some help, please give it a look: Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=270553
yah they rnt really needed and sure.
I'd go with Fledgling Dragon instead of Shivan Dragon for the theme and it can effectively become a Shivan Dragon if you get Threshold. Throwing in some Phyrexia's Cores will get you better use out of the Wellsprings and get you closer to Threshold.
yah i have been thinkin about the cores. i might swap them out for a couple of mountain or maybe a mesa aint sure on that one yet. hmm i will take a look at fledging
I might be missing something here, but why is arid mesa in this deck, you have no plains to search for, and if you want a mountain, you could get one faster/easier by replacing the mesa with a mountain. If you were going for threshold, it might make sense,as it get you closer to achieving that, but as is, it cost 1 life, does not give you any acceleration, does not perform any mana fixing, and more than doubles the cost of your deck. Other than that, the deck looks awesome and flavorful. I do agree that fledgling dragon fits the flavor better, tho.
Arid mesa takes two lands out of the deck for every one you draw. 1 life is nothing.
Throw in some Flameblast dragons and maybe a volcanic dragon to deal some heavy damage with flameblast's ability but furyborn hellkie helps if your in a pickle and have a shock
liked, first modern dragon deck i have seen, well done
im thinking maybe some shrapnel blast to get rid of your wellsprings, 5 dmg sound nice to you? also theres way better dragons out there for the same cmc as shivan dragon personly id say moltensteel hellkite would fit your deck the best, you can virtually cast him for the same price as your whelps, you can pay all but one of your life to swing for the win and you can also shrapnel blast him if the win is just that much out of reach i would also throw in some mana excell as well, i dunno if your playing legal legacy or not making it so your allowed sol ring and mana vault or not
I don't think Phyrexia's Core is really necessary. Also, have you thought about replacing Shivian? There are a lot of better dragons out there. If you want something comparable, maybe Paradic Dragon, which you can suspend to potentially get out sooner. Flameblast is just as big for the same price with a built in Fireball hen it attacks. Molten Steel Dragon is an artifact and can get out cheap at the cost of life. Hoard Smelter migt be interesting for an extra artifact sack. Rakdos Pit Dragon is a nice 4mana drop. Fledgeling Dragon is nice as well. It'll get bigger once you get seven cards in your graveyard. Just some suggestions.
Stick to your plan of smaller dragons. I love Dragon decks but hate how slow most of them play. Perhaps add in a kilnmouth Dragon so you can amplify him into a potentially bigger threat than a furyborn hellkite. Also try sidebaording 4 dragonspeaker shamans. that way if you see that lowering your cost is a good plan you can always make small adjustments.
With all the other dragons of similar cost to shivan dragon, its nowhere near the optimal dragon for around it's mana cost... Also, Arid Mesa looks useless, other than helping your opponent. It mana fixes red/white or red/white/(insert other colors). So my advice boils down to there being better options other than shivan and arid mesa is useless (unless I'm somehow missing some kind of super secret tech).
It's useful against people who don't realize an untapped mountain is available, for a Bolt... There also aren't that many dragons in this deck, so the more in can be thinned, the better. I think one of the Wellsprings should be a playset, and you should make Mycosynth at least 3. Probes can be removed for any additional thinning, or "cantrips".
thx dag, and i have been thinkin of bumpin up the ichor to 4 and droppin the mycosynth i might add in another land to take its place not sure.
haha ok so instead of replying to everyone who is sayin the same thing ill just post it here and yall can comment here. first thx everyone for the comments. i have this deck for the most part and im still tweaking as i go. its not really for a tourn but i guess it can be with minor adjustments. yes there r many better dragons than shiv, i have most of them,at the time shiv was all i could think of hahaha. so i do like the idea of adding in molten for the deck. arid mesa actualy does have a bennifit.. it thins out the deck so i can increase my odds of drawing what i need. yes the other non rare lands can work too but Arid Mesa lets it come into play untapped. just a preferance really. and if u drop it first turn its a slight mind game. =]
cool glad your considering the molten, also sereously look at shrapnel blast, maybe also great furnace, its an artifact land that taps for R, always comes in handy
While a lot of people feel it's "cheating" to use changelings in tribal decks, I love a turn 3 Taurean Mauler into a turn 4 Crucible.
Good deck you have here ! I have a Dragon deck my self with geosurge and seething song and all people in here are right ; when you geosurge for a Kilnmouth dragon and it get killed ... its a 2 for 1 card disavantage ! Since you want faster dragon , why not use Rakdos Pit Dragon ? This is one of a hell fast and efficient dragon ! If you have a Crucible out , it's a 6/6 that can use Doublestrike and flying , and he has firebreathing !!!
I run 3 Lightning greaves in my dragon deck ... Yeah it's silly i know , but why not ? 14/14 Flying Haste Shroud Kilnmouth Dragon turn 3 is not bad !? So, that being said , why not try to remove your Gitaxian for some Lightning Greaves to protect your dragons ?
its not silly i use that with one of my other dragon decks using kilnmouth. the reason i dont want the greaves though is i need that probe. the probe can let me see ur hand to make the judgment call if its ok to set my big dragon down or to hold off. plus the draw is a must for this deck. since red has pretty much no draw spells to speed it up some.
o yes! finally a dragon deck without dragonstorm!! congratulations!! (liked ;D)
Well, i got one too. Since i'm kind of new to MTG, any review would be greatly apreciated!http://www.mtgvault.com/marcosknux/decks/infinite-dragons-stampede/
I really like the deck man. I have a buddy who loves his huge Hellkites and Balefires etc, but by the time he has 7 or 8 mana he has 2 life left. Its pointless
lol thx. yah i used decks like that before and over the yrs of playing i have become a better deck builder. i really like this deck. its pretty good against most decks.
FIREBLAST would be nice as well! Need help please: Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=272723
Why do you have Arid Mesa? It serves no purpose other than to drain your life and don't give me that crap that's it's to shuffle your deck cause you're not using any cards that would benefit you to shuffle.
its simple. mesa thins out the deck and when i get that mana not only does it let me shuffle the deck but i can have that land in play untapped. http://cardgametalk.wordpress.com/
Great, absolutely great! I do not see much GOOD dragon decks that are not fully based in Dragonstorm. I'm kind of new here, if you don't mind giving my first deck an review, it would be greatly appreiated. xDhttp://www.mtgvault.com/marcosknux/decks/infinite-dragons-stampede/
lol thx, this was done a while back and works very well to this day. its a twist people dont see coming XD yah ill check it out no prob and welcome !!!http://cardgametalk.wordpress.com/
Have you considered a Rage Reflection? In my playgroup, one player uses Stromkirk Captain to give all of his creatures first strike, so when I bust out Rage Reflection, he hesitates to attack me, every time.Other than that, excellent work with this deck. Truly stupendous!
i thought about it when i made this, just the mana curve was hard to figure out already lol.thx, it is one of my best dragon decks yet.http://cardgametalk.blogspot.com/