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Similar concept to the newer UB control decks going around. Don't own enough of the rare lands for it but they'd be in if I did. I'm working to acquire them but until I do, I'm going to try cheaper options... I'm also working toward finding 2 more Inquisition which is kinda silly but for now I guess they'll have to be Duress. Comments and suggestions are always appreciated. Please no spamming, though, and try to be constructive with any comments. Thanks.:)
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hmm.. I'm not too sure how I feel about this. I once tried something along these lines, and it's not bad, but it needed an extra kick. After MB dropped, I kinda of lost all hope in black blue control decks : [ But I think you'd profit more off of white blue. using stoneforge and mass board wipe until you drop a crusader. but also, why the jwar isle? sorry, lately my advice hasn't been the best. but what way do you want to go with this deck? after I know that I'll have some ideas (:
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Yeah, the Jwar Isle refuge is pretty terrible, I know. But as of right now, I barely have any of the UB rare dual lands for standard and just haven't gotten around to trading out my UW ones or w/e instead. :/ That's an obvious flaw, but not the worst either. Worst case I should be able to borrow a few of those from a friend, too. You may have missed it, too, but pretty much the entire point of this deck is to play the black poison cards like the Phyrexian Crusader. He is seriously one of the BEST creatures in standard right now. Kills quickly and very little spot removal gets rid of it right now. Most people are not running much for Go for the Throat and are often running Lightning Bolts and white cards instead, both of which it has no trouble with. So yeah, it's basically just a metagame call and I've seen similar decks dominating events lately like my local FNM.
Dude I had totalllly replied to this, but my comment must not have registered. sorry about that! Although my money is still on black white, *cough* gideon *cough* I think black blue still can work, it's just shady. :P Lilianna vess... I hate this card. sure, she's a tutor for 2 cards for 5 mana, and she combos with jace, but to hit that combo, thats 8 mana. and 5 alone isn't worth it to me. she's too slow. and speed in a control deck, although meant to be slow, is very important. So I'd cut her, and mini jace for 2 more jaces if you have them. but if you only have 3 big jace, then just cut liliana. to be honest, I think you'd profit more from 3 mana leak and 2 spell piece rather than 4 leak and 1 stoic. I doubt you'll have enough artifacts on the board to effectively profit from the metalcraft, and turn 1 spell piercing an inquisition is just so good. :P and on the inquisition note, I'd go 3 inquisition 1 duress. and 3 duress in the side in the chance of caw-go. I'm stil relatively against contagion clasp. the only reason I use him in my block deck is because i can cast him for free via semblance anvil (see, such a good card). and if you're going to use the clasp at all, I think 3 is the wrong number. i'd cut him for another tumble magnet and more removal or another skithiryx. even sphere of the suns or an ever flowing chalice would be better, in my opinion. those are the only things I'd change, so I hope they helped at all. if i missed anything, once again, feel free to correct me :3
Odd... I tried to leave a response and it just got deleted or something as well. But anyways, what it basically said was: You're probably right about Lilianna. I'd just seen a few UB control decks that did well recently running her as a one-of and thought it'd be fun to try her out. As for the Inquisition, I would if I had them but at this point, I just honestly am having a hard time finding more and can't bring myself to spend $4 on them at uncommon, too! Not when I can buy multiple sweet (albeit casual) mythics at that price! I do love the Clasp though. It's extra good with poison and is even just fine taking out an early Lotus Cobra or Goblin. It also works great with Jace (little or big) and Tumble Magnet. Actually adding a 4th instead of removing them. As for Rebuttal, I just like have a true hard counter against the ramp decks and just want it as a one-of. I'll do some testing with the deck though, keeping in mind the Spell Pierce idea but we'll see. It doesn't seem quite as relevant though when I run Inquisition and Duress though. Usually I can nab the non-creature stuff with those and just want to counter threatening creatures with my actual counters. I'm not sure if you meant to say BW or UW, but BW seems pretty bad honestly. White still doesn't fit the poison theme all that well and has a horrible mana base when paired with black. Blue on the other hand is awesome, but just not the path I want to go. It doesn't have the spot removal I want and also doesn't have cards like Duress. Plus, Phyrexian Crusader really is just that good! Really. Added more Tumble Magnets for the Plague Myr. They didn't do much in the deck and were always kind of awkward in the curve anyways. On turn two I'd usually rather keep up a Doom Blade or Mana Leak or even just cast Preordain most of the time. Plus, I'd find myself not needing or really wanting to jump from 2 to 4 mana anyways so the "ramp" didn't do much. Anyways, thanks for your input. Changes have been made. More testing to follow.:)
why black, terrible? :O come on man, give it some credit. the best removal spells, stoneforge to seek your equipment, run gideon to divert attacks, ajani to pump your dudes, I think it's be good. :P mass board removal until the big guys come out. but hows this deck run?
Well, I've piloted the deck a bit now and it is honestly far better than I had expected. Phyrexian Crusader simply wins you games. Plain and simple. That's reason enough for black, honestly. Inquistion/Duress performed wonderfully in pretty much every game as well. Black is great for this type of deck. I was actually most impressed with Contagion Clasp against any aggro type deck. It kills their creatures and makes attacking/blocking hard if you have out even 1 Necropede (which was also quite amazing). Against control decks, it is like uncounterable/blockable damage once you've hit them for just 1 poison and also works amazingly with Jace Beleren. Tumble Magnet did what was needed of it, but was slightly underwhelming, though not bad. Skithiryx was almost always a welcome card and I wish I had 1 more in the deck. Corrupted Conscience was also surprisingly good! Even against the aggro decks it was basically at worst a 2-for-1. So for now, as far as the main deck is concerned, I really don't even think much needs to change or what would besides the land (I still would like more Inkmoth Nexus but haven't gotten them or Creeping Tar-Pits yet). Sideboard could maybe benefit from more Corrupted Conscience though I'm not sure what to drop without more testing at this point. In short, the deck is actually very fun and actually very good! I'd suggest you give it a try if you're looking for something different again. It's also pretty cheap to build (JtMS is awesome,of course, but really not needed for this deck).
Something else that should be noted, I suppose is that I have very very limited testing against the Caw-Blade matchups at this point, so I can't really say if it's at all favorable or not or what should change to help it.
i meant white black* black is essential in infect, lol. but glad to see it's holding it's own. and yes, corrupted conscience is a card that's highly underlooked. lets say you mind control an inferno titan. thats sweet, yes, but if you c.c him, you're essentially doubling his power! infect can hit hard if not prepaired for it. but i'd still like to see a 2nd skithy. D: p.s. major changes to the gw, care to take a look? :D