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So I'm debating on what I should play at canadian nationals. Either this (which will probably undergo some changes after the new sets come out) or dredge (same thing).
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I will ALWAYS cast my vote to you running Reanimator over Dredge at tourney level, simply because Reanimator is my favourite deck. But right now it's also one of the best decks out there, and I'd say it's better than dredge right now.
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haha, yeah, actually i was fully set on dredge until i thought to myself "hmmm.. you know.. dredge flat out scoops the elesh norn... and reanimator runs elesh norn main... and reanimator is HUGE now.... fook." so i decided to re-vamp my old reanimator. I think this looks really good! i still hate ponder, so I changed them up with lim-dulls vault (got the idea from you), and i ultimately decided to change my creature base. I figured jin was ultimately the way to go, seeing how eot i can draw a new hand and get another bopper out fast. i thought archangel was a bit better than the leviathan right now, with maverick being on the rise. also there's a lot of delver burn floating around, so she was nice to essentially save myself. elesh norn kills merfolk, more creature dependant delver decks (running goblin guides and what not), and dredge, of course. helps against maverick, too. i decided i didn't quite feel safe with only 7 counterspells (4 fow, 3 daze) so added 2 flusterstorm. after we lost misstep... man... it hurts, :/ added terrastadon to the creature base because he can just flat out win, as well as blow up an opposing sword/batterskull/bitterblossom/whatever. and the sideboard, I've got some things in mind. (:
how do you find it looks? p.s. was thinking on phantasmal image in the sideboard. seems really good for killing legends as well as possibly copying a snapcaster to recast some of my spells, as well as copying other reanimator targets my opponents have animated
I don't play Ponder in Reanimator, because Lim-Dul's Vault is actually really REALLY powerful in the deck. I don't think I've ever run Ponder in the deck honestly, I started when we had Mystical Tutor XD I think the list Ethan, it's rather close to what I'd run right now. I'm still an advocate on only running two Jins, and here I'd drop that third for a Sphinx. It's been doing me a lot of good recently. Phantasmal Image is actually something I've been hiding from you, indeed it is a useful piece of SB tech. I've won games because of copying stuff like 'Goyf, and on one occasion I copied an opponents Jin :D
yeah I might drop a Jin, it just seems like a good card to draw into and have the option to end phase discard, y'know? and aweeeyeahhhhh starting to think like a legacy player. (:
I would run Reanimator over Dredge if I were you. Dredge seems to be a dying breed, where as Reanimator is more powerful than it has been in a very very long time. This is largely due to Jin. The most basic way to look at how one should fight Reanimator is by doing one of two things: 1) Prevent them from getting out their big crap -- Well balls...that used to be easy as hell with Misstep. Now it's much harder. 2) When the big crap comes into play, get rid of it -- If that big crap happens to be Jin...Guess what? With a card advantage shift in the opponent's favor of at least full to"topdeck", that big crap isn't going anywhere.
yeah, i'm definitely preparing for the reanimator mirror. I like phantasmal image board, alongside the leylines and show and tell. probably 1 image, 3 leyline 3 show and tell.
Heheh, I play three Extirpates as my GY hate right now, and run two Phantasmal Images. Also, if you haven't tried it yet Ethan, I suggest looking into testing the old Blast cards. Pyroblast is incredibly fun against a lot of the field right now :D
yeah, i considered extirpate :O seems actually more practical, seeing how i don't feel the need to aggro mull for it. and also, pyroblast.. in black blue? :O how's this? 1 of volcanic island?
Yuuup, it makes life a little... Interesting. And Extirpate is the absolute best choice for hate right now, split second is simply devastating. My experiences in Vintage have given me some thoughts on how I plan to play right now, and Reanimator is my personal choice for competitive play. Kitchen magic is Dredge though http://www.myfacewhen.com/212/
Split Second = "NO!....Because I said so!" =]
hahahaha @ the face. and when i play kitchen magic, usually it's super competitive... where I play magic, there is no casual. it actually does not exist. our fnm is like a grand prix. everyone is super serious about it, it's kind of lame. but on the same note, it reallly helps you improve and test your decks, which is sick. like just then, me and my friend played some "kitchen" magic, and it was dredge v.s. high tide, then reanimator v.s. high tide (dredge has such a better match up than reanimator...) and split second is so deece, only when im the one using it though...
Around here we play rather generously since we play with some of the standard kids, now I'm just going to have to suck balls on purpose to have them keep playing T_T Yeah, Tide is an interesting match for Reanimator, but I'd rather see it than the ever obnoxious Hive Mind... It's a little epic when you have to go to war for a single reanimate. And yeah, I'm not going to sugarcoat it. You're probably going to see a TEAM list, and it's probably going to run Extirpate or Surgical Extraction as hate, and with Frying Pans that is brutal to play through.
man... just beat the kids and make them strive to do better. that's what happened to me, lol. I was a nobody until I won my first fnm. Now I have many friends there, and know everyone who plays, but the best way to motivate someone is to push their strive for excellence (i.m.o.) and also... whats a frying pan lol (in magic terms)
Problem is I play at a shop out of town mostly, so I don't know anybody but Shopkeep, and two of the regulars :/ And I call Snapcasters My Trusty x(where x is the type of spell I'm flashing back) Pan, it's a very bad pokemon joke. It just made me laugh.
god... I love snapcaster <3 i might brew up a list, to be honest. I want to keep my options open. (:
TEAM or BUGStill?
Neither, it'd be a brew. :O probably junk <3
Ah janky brews, how I love them. :D
Well, you see, I have a very strong desire to make vengevine work in legacy, and he couples oh so nicely with stoneforge. Then ontop of that, buried alive + vengevine/bloodghast = mmmmm <3. So yeah. Junk, more or less. Kind of like maverick... BUT BETTER
Might I suggest you look at a deck of mine called Jericho? I played it during Misstep, and I think you'll like it. It doesn't run white, so it's not a Junk/Dirt deck, but it does the rest you said :D
Oh i definitely will! I seriously want to brew a competitive buried alive deck, though. if jericho is just that... mmmm <3
Nice deck Ethan, I've found a Shallow Grave and Pathrazer of Ulamog (either in combo or seperately) can often deal a pretty powerful blow to the opponent you might consider them for sideboard and maybe even mainboard. One or two Sphinx of the Steel Wind should at least be in sideboard. Personally, I like to run at least 1 mainboard. Sheoldred, Whispering One and Evil Twin are my not so secret tech sideboard cards try them out and see if you like them. Oh, I was wondering is the main reason Inkwell Leviathan isn't in mainboard is because animate dead can't be used on it? Good Luck at Nationals and may you always make your own good luck.
thanks! i hope to do well as well (: butttt, shallow grave is really like.. a one trick pony. you get one good use and then thats it. that's not really the goal of reanimator, you want to ensure your target stays alive for as long as possible. and also, pathrazer is more of a beat stick more than anything, when I'm really after utilities, you know? sphinx will definitely be board, alongside possibly sheoldred. and inkwell isn't main because empyrial is just better now. with all the burn going around she just gobbles it all up. (: animate dead can be used on inkwell because it's enchanted in the graveyard, where shroud doesn't count for jack.
Man, I've modified my list to accommodate a pair of Flusterstorms, and dear God I've had nothing but brutal results so far. I've only lost two mirror matches so far, and that's out of 23 matches http://www.myfacewhen.com/329/
Why are you not running any Sheoldred, am I missing something here or is Jin Gitaxias really that much better somehow?
Jin is just superior in almost every way. He deals with most, if not all of Reanimator's weaknesses =]
Jin-Gitaxias provides us so much card advantage that it's just silly, whereas Sheoldred improves our already impressive field advantage. Jin-Gitaxias provides us a position of power against any deck, whereas Sheoldred just gives us a slight nudge when we're already over the edge. TLDR; Jin-Gitaxias and Elesh Norn are more palatable choices for what a Reanimator needs.
I have never made or ran a reanimator deck before so I didn't really see the advantage at first, but a second question is why not run four shock lands instead of the two islands and swamps you are runnning, or is that too much damage to deal to yourself in this type of deck?
That, and the ever present threat of mana denial. Fish, Maverick, and most variants of Tempo run a full complement of Wasteland, and if for the blue portion of that list Stifle for our fetches :|
nice deck, but i like my take on reanimator. why no dark rits though?
Possible reasons for no dark rituals 1. Removing dark rituals opens slots for more utility toolbox creatures. 2. Many Legacy decks run counterspells and typically players hate to trade 2 cards(dark ritual and the spell it is helping to cast) to 1 counterspell. 3. Reanimator spells use only 1 or 2 mana typically so a dark ritual is not that critical to helping cast spells. 4. I like to run dark rituals in some of my reanimator decks but that's because I run all black decks that run heavy discard with surgical extraction which can be a really problem for many decks. This isn't a all black deck. It uses blue for draw and discard and counter effects.
dark rituals really only make my first turn impressive. and the line up for that to happen is highly improbable. I'd rather have a better late game and have more solid maindeck support than a possible turn 1 fatty. turn 2 is just as good (:
Dark Ritual also introduces a ton of mana burden unless that rare first turn happens (even then, they can leave some behind). Mana burden is one of Reanimator's greatest inherent flaws, and something they willingly have to accept...so adding in more than they have to is kind of dumb =/
thanks for your replies. i find that a deck with enough consistency can afford to allow MD slots for dark rit and gain a faster, more punishing game. they dont always have that counterspell in their opening hand lol
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also, if counterspells are really your greatest worry, then discard like thoughtseize and duress and cabal therapy more than handily deals with the blue meanies. countering my rits just delays the inevitable
Your decks are terrible.
Thx bby <3
Straight up. I need a job.
I'm a little confused right now... http://www.myfacewhen.com/i/501.jpg
Well, apparently some guy with 13 posts thinks his opinion is earth shattering to me, dagbaker needs a job, and apparently agrees with my lack of deck building skills. lololol
Well, I took his comment sarcastically, or at least mine was. The job thing is so I can afford Legacy, if you look at this decks price tag. (Ethan, you're a great deck builder)
I've noticed this Gzapge guy going on all the top liked decks and saying "Your decks are terrible," so I think he's trying to troll. Great deck, by the way. Good luck with it, should you be using it.
Thanks dag (: And also thank you flipnotyk! I'll do my best. (:
This was fun to read...thrice!
First off, I love the mainboard flusterstorm. This deck looks like it has some very strong potential. I must ask though, why are you not using Inkwell Leviathan? I would personally take out 1 Jin and place in the Inkwell. It's shroud makes it very hard to remove and they both can be chucked to FoW in a very dire situation. Terastodon has caused me quite a few problems in the past. It's nice to blow up a chalice@1 or take down a land or two, but them having a 3/3 against a 9/9 without trample can set you back a turn. I wouldn't cut it out completely, but I would use it only in moderation. The debate I have with extirpate is the same one I have with surgical extraction. The split second is nice, but so it being able to pay life for it. I'd try to run 2 extirpate/1 extraction. It may hurt a little if you have to rely on reanimate to bring back a creature, but it can be better than having to wait for an open mana to play. Also, if you are going to be playing against a heavy storm meta, a merchant scroll can be useful to fetch up your flusterstorm/FoW early game, especially if they are able to thwart your hand control. I really do like your take on this deck. I think your hardest match up is going to be chalice@1, which is an excellent time to let show and tell shine. Great build.
thank you very much! (: I don't use inkwell because i felt that empyrial archangel was just better in this meta. if i ever felt shroud was really that important in a match up, she comes packin' shroud and other perks. I felt the flying was a lot better than the islandwalk, and also she's blue so she can also be pitched to fow. i liked tarastodon mainly because he can remove up to multiple threats, or blow up my own permanents and swing for 18 next turn. he's a beat stick, more or less. i think v.s. storm I don't really need to worry. mainly all I need to do is know what to counter. merchant scroll is nice, but i feel the sideboard's too pressed for space. same applies for the main. I had actually had the same talk with a friend of mine regarding surgical/extirpate. i think surgical may be better, due to the low land count, but through testing I'll come to a conclusion. 2 life in reanimator is actually a lot more than it seems, :/ I'm really glad you like the build, and thank you for commenting! (:
Reanimator is best choice to me to but since the release of the premium reanimator deck it kinda drew me away from the whole theme. Now any noob skeezer can go out and spend 40 bucks and not have to trade or buy any real cards andget a good deck. Not the best, but a great start especially for a noob that sux at magic. Love the deck btw looks good. And entomb/exhume is the best for getting out...whatever u want pretty much lol. The blue praetor out second turn pretty much stops opponents then with the added draw ability you get at the end of turn you keep it all and bust out the Terastodon and take out what little bit of stuff they got out before the blue praetor. Give them two 3/3s lol not gonna do much.
personally I love the graveborn deck. i don't think magic should be limited to budget. you can have the best deck in the world and still not know how to play it for the life of you. this deck has an edge in the mirror with the maindeck flusterstorms, and iona naming black shuts down reanimator altogether lol. i'm really glad you like the deck! (: thanks :'D
Nice deck... learned alot from reading all the comments, thanks.
Been going though decks to get some ideas and i agree with (almost) everyone, it's a great deck.