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idea is to drop something big quickly !, low cost artifacts for the lich's including some indistructable ones, these either boost on attack or remove creatures (bonesplitters/brittle effigys ect) grave titan is still relitivley cheap for a 6/6 with death touch plus two zombies (and then 2 more ect) that can make use of all the equipment floating about !, a few cards to remove the lightning quick abyssal persecutors when needed and also for removal of opponents creatures too. phlactery lich's possible on go 1, nantuko shades, abyssal persecutors, and phyrexian obliterators possible on go 2, grave titans on go 4/5 or 6, plus the equipment and plenty of kill, a fast effective kill deck. please rate comment and help not the coolist name if im honest but it does say it all !, and to be fair ive found from playing that this is one of my best decks and usualy wins either early or just bombards them to death as it has so much good stuff and kill !
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Very Fast and lethal... well done...
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Love it nice job
Nothing I can recommend, pretty brutal my man.
i'm thinking it could cope with x 2 wurmcoil engines perhapse dropping the x 2 bloodthrone vampires.i have added consuming vapours since i re-hashed it so there still plenty there to take the persecutors out and 6 mana is not that bad for a 6/6 deathtouch lifelink that splits when it dies.
Wow, how'd I miss this? The insanity that is a turn 1 Phylactery Lich is just funny. Very well made.
thanks i usualy get either a lich or an persecutor out within the first two goes supported by bone splitters
i'd really like to find another way of ramping black mana fast !, but cant aseem to - coffers to slow, cabal ritual not enough ramp, struggling thinking maybe lake of the dead but not sure ?
Brutality. 'Nuff Said. Liked.
thanks i found i was always casting something big early but have found of late that even if i dont get off to a flyer then this still overpowers most decks given time, looking to add infiltration lens for cards draw so i can keep casting out those big spells.
the obvious swaps for the lens's are the darksteel axes and bone splitters but its a fine balance i mean equip a zombie token or a lich with a splitter your damage jumps but then they have to chomp if they do and i have the lens then x 2 card draw is awsome for me as i know what im picking up is powerful !.
I'm so tempted to squeeze my third wurmcoil engine in but don't want to drop anything ! ?
I'd say 1 Dark Ritual. Don't get me wrong, it's a great Card, but you only run 4 3-Mana Spells in this Deck, and while you may get out instead a 1-Mana Spell and a 2-Mana Spell instead, you won't always get full benefit from your Dark Rituals. It's either that or 1 Abyssal Persecutor, seeing as how you only run 3 Consuming Vapors.
Sorry, I didn't notice the 4 Brittle Effigys and I forgot about the Gatekeeper of Malakirs. T_T So instead I would get rid of the Bonesplitter because all of your creatures except for the Gatekeeper of Malakirs are all really beefy or have the potential to be very beefy. Besides, I think you have enough Artifacts for your Phylactery Lich.
thanks for that i think i'll loose a darksteel axe for another infiltration lens and x 1 bonesplitter for another wurmcoil, i like the dark rituals cause if i get one in my opening hand it can mean a go 1 or 2 lich or a persecutor, thanks so much for the advice though mate ive been stuck on this one for ages, your right about the creatures being beefy enough and with the extra wurmcoil the artifact balance is just fine, cheers mate !
and if i get one out that fast its usualy all over ! - cheers.
do i go the whole way and play a 4th wurmcoil ?, ive got to be consious of keeping fast drop artifacts so the lich's come out quick !, and also would like to encourperate another fast black mana ramp other than dark rituals but not sure whats around if anything ? i think i prefer the card draw of the infiltration lens over running another darksteel axe and another bonesplitter although these are quick drop for the lich's and boost the zombies from the gravetitans and the otherwise redundant once entered into play gatekeepers ?
i would totally love to see it iin action check out my new "Liquimetal Cleaning" or my new "Global Eradication" decks (there is a evil suprise in both of them)
Yes it runs very well ill check your deck asap ! - cheers
sereously consider fling and rite of consumption they can do great things with abyssal persecutor and if you put a wall of blood in they also work great together especially with rite of consumption cuz you pay all but one of your life deal all that to your opponent in damage and then gain it all back again
i can see how these both work however i dont want to slow the deck down by adding red for fling as to be fair i just dont need it, i understand that its aggresive at the same time as dealing with the abyssal persecutor but this is all fling can do sac your own creatures i pre4fer using the gatekeepers and the brittle effigys as i can always use them offensivly on someone elses creature remove a blocker or something awkward but they can still deal with my persecutors if i so wich, i have the bloodthrone vampires as back up and feel i diont need right of consumption i do absolutley accept that your dealing damage whilst sacrifising with cards you say but id loose the kinda stompy aspect of the deck if i added these in i feel, wicked suggestion mind you i will proberly sidebopard right of consumption and play test it against the bloodthrone vampires as its a liitle more aggressive but cuts down on vreature numbers and stomp, this deck is foremost fast then an abyssal persecutor deck 2nd., cheers.
I like what I see. I'd like to see how my deck 'Big Black' would do against this.
Or better yet, my Green Land Destruction deck :p
I'll shall check your decks asap !, this fairs well against most things as it functions on a rellitvley low amount of mana, so what do you think should I go with the lens's or the axes ? And should I squeeze another wurmcoil in ?, any other black ramp you can think of or colourless mana ramp ?
The only black mana ramp I can think of is what I use in my deck Big Black and if you use that, then I suggest not adding any more Wurmcoil as Korlash is already another big creature. I personally prefer the lenses.
I like it, scary stuff. Can't really recommend anything :/ I'm kinda curious how my mill deck would do lol. Check it out ^_^
Ill check it shortly, I have a mill deck called zombie mill fiend but it struggles a bit always feels a go slow please check it out and give me your thoughts :-)
Check out my deck i built, maybe people can add a few ideas :) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=125855
i will do this shortly friend
ok i have settled on the x 3 wurmcoils i think this is enough and do prefer to carry a mix of bonesplitters and infiltration lens's, i would love to find enough quick creature in the vein of natuko shade, by that i dont mean one that boosts but a fast one ahead of the mana curve like the nantuko, i do struggle to put something out fast if i dont get a dark ritual early. any suggestions ?
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=125397 come check out Deck Eater.
done my man !.
Excellent masterpiece - Can't point out anything which needs changing - Two thumbs up
hey thats my favourite comment really thanks so much !.
very hard to beat brcause they come out so quickly very good deck
that was always the origional aim !, as i t goes i have been pleased to discover even when it has a slow start the gatkeepers the consuming vapours and just the value for mana cost of my creatures often lets me claw my way back in and overtime eventualy can still ovewrpower most, hence adding infiltration lens as if i can keep drawing good stuff i can come back, but yes the aim was all about the start cheers.
I dont think you need the brittle effigy in this deck ive played against it and its not very often you need to use them its normally in command without them + you have to use 4 mane to use them i think you could just put quick instant kill or removal cards in what u reckon ???
see your point but they also provide a quick drop artifact for the lich's now there not ideal as i have to sac em eventually which would almost certainly cost me the lich but not before hes done his damage, they also remove the abyssal persectors i use them more than you realises i think both attack on other peoples creatures 4 mana to exile a creature is not bad and your right this deck is in command early doors as its fast but after can slow up, then late game i'm happy to pay 4 for removal, also as most of the other removal in here makes someone sacrifice a creature (designed so i can be offensive but also remove my perescutors) i need something i can target a creature with rather than a player also gets round indestructable and black cards, this deck is strong for 2 reasons 1 its fast and 2 it can handle any creature in some way or another (most certainly) oh and there are a lot of threats in there also so 3 but my point is for the 2nd one the effigys provide me with an option the black removal spells dont, cheers as always dude.
i tinker between infiltration lens's and a balance between bonesplitters and darksteel axes right now i'm running the splitters and axes to focus the deck on speed and kill, but i do like the option of card draw the lens's provide so its 3 splitters and 2 darksteel axes as these provide an extra idestructable artifact to support the counters from the lich's.
the 1st cards i rushed and i mean rushed out to buy from the new set where x4 phyexian obliterator's they fit this deck so perfectly there quicker than the wurmcoil engines they replaced the very fact i took the wurmcoils out is a big endorsment and they also make you sac stuff which is also kinda a 2nd string them this deck runs after the big creatures asap them and oh the obliterator also fits there too, so a no brainer for me also wurmcoils fit most anywhere.
i assume this is the black deck in particular you mentioned before. this looks real fun. i love quick, and gnarly black decks, but for some reason i cant swallow black alongside artifacts. i dont know why.... its just my opinion though. i definitely like this deck though, dont get me wrong, it gets the job done.. and in no time at all too lol my friends who hate this.
hi yes this is the deck mentioned i appreciate you visiting it !, well you'll be pleased to know that x4 wurmcoil engines came out for the phyrexian obliterators so its slightly less artifact heavy, not that i share your distaste for black teamed with artifacts in fact i have another mainly black deck also artifact heavy although this is softened with a splash of blue lol although neither of these was deliberatly built round colour combos just the cards this one started based round the lich's so had to be artifact heavy and the other one round proliferate. so i go on, yes this certainly gets the job done and dosnt hang about no real tricks just fast big and effective stuff early on !, its nasty and i do like it. many thanks.
ok i consider this one of my top 2 decks i ran it in a tournement recently and it failed down to a lack of removal i always thought it had plenty but maybe not i switched out the colourless indestructable lands as most things need several black so even casting my lich is go 2 if i wanted to drop the indestructable land for the counter i can still cast it go 1 with a vault and a ritual but if i get to go 2 and have a ritual id rather now cast the obliterator (an addittion to the origional deck) so no need for the colourless indestructable land now i should have more chance running extra swamps of either a lich or an obliterator on go 2 (i still have darksteel axe cast on go 1 for the lich) and still carry the threat of a go 1 lich with a vault so as a whole the deck shoud be quicker.ive added sever the bloodline as extra removal its flash back so its good value and it means i can play 2 or more abyssal persecutors at a time and not worry about removing them, whilst still using the sever the bloodline offensivly on opponents creatures erarly game and flashing back to removal my persecutors.
i feel geralf's messeger is a great addition this in the 3c/c bracket fills a hole i the deck also 4 damage guarenteed as a rule and a 3/2 for 3 can't go wrong, sever the bloodline also means the extra removal should help keep me ahead of opponents curve and so keep the pressure up and also means i can play multiple persecutors, and still deal with them efficiantly