oh and cut the firey hell hound for the brand new 1 red 1/1 with soulbound that gives both guys firebreathing
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hero of oxid ridge is better than ringleader so i would replace those crypt ripper is kinda mana hungry for only a 2/2 haste i know u can pump and after making unblockable but isnt goblin guide just better it coumes down 3 turns earlier and will deal 6 more damage withouht spending mana into him or NANTUKO SHADE 2/1 for bb with b +1/+1 so baiscally same thing without haste for 2 less mana and for sure u can make the mana base better there are a million black/red lands ...... personally i dont like the deck but i want to help you out i would forget about the unblockable aspect and just play a ton of smaller faster guys maybe play panic spell bomb make it so there guys cant block cause that will make your team unblockableinstead of 1 creaure but its your fun deck so here is how it can be the same only strictkly better -ringleader + hero of oxid ridge -crypt ripper + nantuko shade
ordinarily i would say dont play temporal or noxious and play more burn but this way you keep your shell mostly ..i would maybe play the same land base as you and try 4 noxious revival also idk. i think this is pretty close to what u would want to be doing and it is basically mainstreamed to exactly what u want and faster for the most part so i would say more consitently faster u could always copy your thunderous in your deck for rediculous plays but thats not probably going to happen often enough to warrant it sorry for writing so much its just a deck i currently have interest in and im have been thinking about making a fine tuned list ...again im not all knowing but i do have over 100 first place finishes at tournaments ..anyway good luck hope i helped a little +1
increasing vengence isnt good in this deck...or at all. i also agree with ^^ gut shot is better for you it is free and allows you to play spells and still kill there creatures , also i would cut bonfire your never going to be able to play it even with miracle cost you never want a bunch of lands also u should play incinerate i think, i am a fan of stromkirk but not in this deck maybe im totally wrtong about that but i did play against a u/r delver with miracles in top 4 of a 33 man event he had only 4 delver 4 vexing devil and alot of burn and faithless lotting only miracles were thunderous tho so my suggestion would be 4 delver of secrets 4snapcaster mage 4 vexing devil 4 thunderous wrath 4 galvanic blast 4 ponder 4 faithless looting 4 temporal mastery 4 thought scour 3 noxious revival then your mana base plus a land i think u want 21 so u can use the loot lands easier
u need to tap out and be able to counter and we played 3 spell pierce in the board but its not always wanted only when u need more counters like against decks that have many noncreature spells that affect board or combo decks like a.n.t.
cut thr verdant cathars for panic spell bombs those guys r just bad
yeah its free it allows you to play spells and still be able to counter thats pretty huge especially when turns 1-3 r so important in legacy lots of unfair decks just flat out win in those turns
not good enough for modern and some of it is banned now but yeah pretty much exact lists from starcity opens caw blade was a great deck but move on bro that was last year man
well i prefer sword over path because i am playing daze i dont want my early counters to not be effective cause i gave my opponent land and second the counter balance by it self is weak but combined with the top u arrange the cards before you reveal giving u a huge chance of hitting the same converted mana cost paired with brainstorm and fetchlands u can find any mana cost u need also after playing for a while you learn to keep a 1,2,3 drop on top or in some cases a land for zero drop spells and natural order bypasses graffdiggers your not playing a creature from your library your simply putting it in play cards like narcomeba are being played from your library and for your question yes i have piloted it to top 8's at power nine tournaments at jupiter games in vestal new york usually around 100 players and yes sometimes u do draw progenitus with no way to brainsorm and it sucks but u can always pitch it to a force of will and another thing to look for is that u dotn need a creature in play to natural order if u have a fetch land u can search up dryad arbor endstep and sac that also they cant kill the creature in response to natural order its part of its casting cost
what do you do if your opponent top decks a hexproof creature? just lose? and im sure in testing it you empty your opponents hand then keep drawing discard spells while they top deck action and put it into play the deck seems reaaly poor if your opponent plays 2 creatures in one turn like everydeck in standard besides wolfrun ramp i would suggest some creature kill your running black bro play go for the throat and /or black sun zenith OH YEAH black sun zenith lol and your phat creature isnt very good i know he fits the theme but u need something better to close with like consecreted sphinx or grave titan im sure i could add like 100 more helpful comments and make this deck alot better but then we might lose sight of the milling and not to judge i know its a favorite win for newer/casual players but honestly its not good its like your opponent having 40 life total and a surgical extraction is like 4 damage or if you think of it in equivalent exchange of 40 cards 20 life its like a bad shock that only targets players in any case your not doing much for winning so u need to be more defensive cut some bad hand damage spells for zenith and cut the bad fatty for a good fatty and add some plainswalkers lilianna seems perfect has discard creature removal gl with the decklist i would cut memoricde surgical appetite thoughtscour blooddemon add 3 grave titan 3 liliana 3 black sun zenith probably some land
2 shock and 2 g blast is fail how isnt g blast just better than shock ....play 4 galvanic blast its a no brainer also i know brimstone volley deals alot but volt charge has synergy with the deck u can proliferate to make stromkirk and stormblood bigger and add counters on shrine ...sometimes u can do all of that but i know turn 1 noble turn 2 stormblood turn 3 volt charge is sick ... not a fan of faithless looting in this deck either
no goblin wardriver? and isnt koth just way better than those plainswalkers in this deck? and i would cut the cute cards like the miracles traitorus blood(move that to side board) and play actual burn spells also back when i played this deck i played panic spell bomb as u can sac to rebirth and pay a red to draw a card or use it to draw and get the effect u get from your otherwise worthless 3 drop
no problem i also think the crusader is just better than ichor rats in everyway the 1 poison will matter like 1 in every 50 games where 1in 2 games your crusader will be unblockable cause standard is all token deck that r white creatures
i played against a similar deck in the last round of swiss of a an fnm yesterday his deck was much more aggressive he had vexing devil and incinerate's no chandra's or noxious revival or swords he might have been playing gal blast too i dont remember but he did well he went 4-2-1 over all he went undefeated till round 5 i beat him playing u/w delver then he lost in top 8 but overall it looked good and fun so +1 i like the deck i dont think chandra is very good for this deck maybe grim lavamancer would be good with all the cantrips and cards being ditched and probably cut vapor snag where your playing red just burning a creature is better and u have few sword targets so they obviously arent very good maybe gitaxion probe it can let u see if your in the clear is another cantrip that is free almost like playing 56 card deck making it easier to get to the cards you want
your missing the land inkmoth nexus best infect cards there is plus i would play mutagenic growth and cut some of the big stuff down u dont need to do lots of infect just enough so make it faster not more powerful there is a 1 green infect guy too idk his name but he is the best guy to use then pump him as fast as u can and if u can get your hands on swords of war and peace everyone is playing white creatures atm so pro white is good to get your teah thru plus more dismember your already a black deck u can pay black if u need to although the game plan is to kill your opponent b4 u would worry aboyut your life and the miracle cards seem so wrong lol i mean i would cry if that happened to me they look good this idea makes me want to maybe invest in this deck +1
i have played a deck that abused this combo but i played orims chant basically same thing only better u can pay the kicker and they cannot attack i found it was best splashed with blue to protect your combo and draw effects like daze brainstorn mana leak counter spell whatever u prefer plus i had cunning wish so i didnt have to play all the silences i had 1 in the board along with 1 e tutor in the board it allows some crazy board plans like fire/ice tap a permanent draw a card every turn or accumulated knowledge and draw alot of cards every turn i would also play better removal like terminus now because if your playing ponder/brainstorn/top u can easily set that up for 1 w plus i would play swords to plowshares cause its the best removal spell ever printed if u dont have those then i would say path to exile is a close second
play more cpoies of the best cards you alwasy want as many 4 of for decks like these as u can get also play the infact land its really good plus u want to be fast with a deck like this try cutting the mana curve lower and add the 2 drops infect desperatly wants to play maybe mutagenic growth cause its a free pup spell will save your guy and give them 2 more poison i would also cut the surgical extraction its never a card u need game one unless your opponent plans on winning fast with his graveyard
seems like the deck could be better without black its only 5 cards to mess up your mana base u would cut the slips and blloodline add vapor snags maybe dungeon giest and i would cut the lands down considerably this deck can run on 19 for sure i would add more giest of saint traft maybe gut shot or dismember
i would cut the wreath of giest add rancor instead probably cut the skull clamps cause they arent legal at all deff add berserk with kavu predator invigorate combo silhana ledgewalker green sun zenith noble hierarch cut some lands i know your deck inst going for berserk deck but the skull clamps arent legal and with out skull clamp your deck needs the boost and in a mono green deck birds is pretty bad lanowar elf is juts better but noble hierach even better than him but i would probabaly play both just my opinion hope some of that helps
at his first starcity in richmond i believe he made top 8 with natural order bant
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