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So I told surewhynot how I think he can make extraction work in Modern... but I want to see if I can beat him to the punch. Of course, his is definitely going to be better, but I on the other hand do not have a strange obsession with a casual archetype, so there you go :)
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sadistic sacrement? surgical extraction?
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Looks like an incomplete deck that was changed to finished too soon :o
I think it is safe to assume that this the finished deck just without the mana-base figured out yet.
I want to find room for them... but idk where. Buddy is dead right, I have the 1st draft of the deck done but Modern manabases are annoying
So you really aren't going to include surgical extraction in an extraction deck?
I got your back ragged
Hell I'm just confused, but I admit I'm so used to seeing SWN's very familiar archetype for extraction decks.
What's confusing you?
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Extirpate over SE is the thing I don't get, is split second the only reasoning behind that move?
Yes. Split Second is amazing. Way worth it over SE, especially in a format with Misstep.
Casual archtype?! >={
He hit the nail right on the head.... you should check out my 2 newest decks SWN =)
Wellll.... Yea.
Wait, are you talking about Extraction or Tribal? <_<
Both? Thought that was obvious
-_- I can accept Tribal, sure, but Extraction...no way man. I've won countless Legacy tourneys with Extraction. I've been playing it since I was 6 years old...and it's never let me down =P
It has also never won any scg tournament ever
I suppose you have a point in that, but I don't think that has anything to do with the archtype honestly. Very few people build Extraction decks, even fewer know how to play it properly, and even fewer still do all that and are skilled enough for the tourney scene. In addition to that already tiny percentage, most players don't care to play in tourneys anyway. My point is, I think it's much more a factor of how rare a tourney-winning Extraction player is. Quantity well over quality =/
Ok, I assume you count as a tournament quality player? Lets load up MWS and you can show me.
Honestly man, I'd love to, but I just plain gave up on that damn program. I can't get it to work =/ For now, I say we'll agree to disagree?
Sounds like a "I don't wanna play..." :P
<_< Y'Bastard =P
Note the lack of denial....
God damn it you... Anyways, I made a new design of Modern Extraction, if you'd like to take a look =P
MWS is a ok program. It functions as it was intended. Too many outside downloads to make it complete. with the artwork, new cards as sets are released. The card shuffle routine inside of it, should be made better for a truly randomization of a library of 60+ cards.
if you guys dislike mws, search up "cockatrice". weird name, I know. but the program has all the images already loaded, and same controls as mws. It's a lot better, imo. and you can even download on mac, lol. it's realllly straightforward to download,. too. just go here; http://cockatrice.de/index.php?a=download
Its not a bad program as a tool or resource to build decks. Play a game and look at the shuffling order, watch it closely, there is a pattern, which there shouldn't play if it's true random.
are you talking about mws or cockatrice? lol.
MWS as a tool to build decks, the shuffling algorithm seems to be off. I downloaded the cockatrice and seems ok, but loading a deck from clipboard does not seem to be working. I added two decks to cockatrice so far and it seems ok. I will hook up my lappy with it also.
I love cockatrice, lol. If you ever see "Ethan" hosting a game, be sure to say hello lol
will do ethan
Lol i can't believe you actually found me, was very nice talking/playing with you!!
who won!??!
With his red white, I won in 3. then with him mono green I won 3 and he won 1. they were good games (:
Hey there, love the deck. can u help me with this deck? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=219038
Nice deck. Check out mine http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=217286
this is the worst deck I've ever seen on the front page, makes me think this site sucks balls
This is the worst comment I've ever seen on a deck, makes me think that you suck balls.
after further evaluation I understand.... 13 points from hoxe 22 points from surewhynot 13 point from ethanlewis 13 points from surefire 61 points and out of all of those points only one comment that had any substance, what a joke... (and yes I know that my two comments added 6 points.... lame)
lol ok buddy =]
Bluewins: i am flattered that I have managed to offend you so greatly. To say this is the worst deck you have ever seen on the front page is about as funny as how terrible you think my deck is. Luckily over 100 people disagree with you. To everyone: in NYC w limited web access, ill try to keep up w requests but I will fall behind. Sorry
100 people dissagree with me?.... thats pretty funny! did you not see the breakdown I gave of your points only 2 posts up? 73 of those points are just random gibberish ... that 105 or whatever you have by the time you read this is NOT "like"s it is you and your pals chattin back in forth like its a chat room on the page of a very poor deck. Your right, this isn't the WORST deck I've seen on the front page, there were some joke decks and some "worst card" poles, but this is the worst deck that wasn't intended to be a joke that made the front page. and BTW you have not offended me, you actually have done nothing wrong at all except make a deck that isn't as good as you think it is. what I think is BS is that this deck made the front page and that this happens regularly on this site... this site is the offencive entity here not you
You seem to be under the impression that by berating other users you'll be achieving something. Quit bitching. It's painfully obvious that your complaining and unfriendly nature is what keeps your decks from getting attention...your complete lack of understanding aside. Yeah, we were having a conversation, because the deck caught our interests for being a good deck, as many/most of ragged's decks are. The casual "chats" we have are a direct result of our respect for each other and the common fact that there's little need to discuss the deck itself. If the focus changes to that, then all of us give our 2 cents about that. Not sure who pissed in your cheerios man, but until you really have a remotely good argument...kindly shut the fuck up =]
I don't see why it should matter.. "OH MAN THIS GUY'S DECK IS ON THE FRONT PAGE???? I DON'T LIKE THIS ONE, I'LL INSULT HIM, HAHAHA YEAH THAT'LL SHOW HIM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:'D:'D" Like grow up out of it, seriously. If you don't like a deck and disagree with some of his choices, comment your THOUGHTS* (because that's all they are, your personal views on the matter) on how YOU would 'improve' it. Your lack of constructive comments lead me to believe you're not a good deckbuilder at all. Magic is a game. This is a magic community. Get over it, (:
Surewhynot-- I looked over your trillion decks and a few of your comments expecting that you would have little quality in the high quantity you put out there. as it turns out, your a pretty good deck builder and it isn't just quantity there are quite a few decks you made that I like. so I cant honestly go after your deck building skill cause its high. and because you aren't stupid it will be easy to explain why I made those comments. Your trying to defend your friend and thats all good but you are missunderstanding the criticisum as directed towards your friend. It is directed towards this sites ineffective rating system. it jsut so happened that your friends page is where I made my comment because a good deck builder like you knows that this deck is not real strong, his bloodghast deck is much better as are most of these front page decks. there are many many better decks not making the front page because they don't have your "buddysystem" to use your friends name as a verb. and just because the 5 of you and your 1000+ comments each are friends does NOT make your decks good.
After my troll deck (and no, not like the tribe) made the front page, and people starting pissing all over it like I should be ashamed of myself for creating the thing, I've come to a conclusion. People are jealous. They're just upset that their decks aren't on the front page. Me personally, I couldn't give two shits about whether a deck makes the front page--that's not why I'm here. If people like it, and take ideas from it to improve their decks, awesome. Or if people give me criticism that helps me build a better deck, thanks! But constantly crapping on people's decks for making the front page because of the current like system is old and busted--1) if it bothers you that much, message an admin about it, and 2) by commenting instead of sending a message, you're just giving the decks more likes, and causing more people to see it.
Comments shouldn't affect "likes", in my opinion. It isn't a true reflection of actual 'likes'. But being an asshole about it is hardly justified lol. Anyways... Is Bitterblossom your win-con here? This looks pretty mean, but I would probably have at least 3 Cranials, but that's just me. I know they cost 4, but they have been super effective in my experience!
Why not throw in Tome Scour to ramp your Bitter Ordeal. Cephalid Looter/broker + Jace's Erasure would do the just as well.
I like the idea of the deck, but I think there are maybe some better options than fatespinner and sculler. Hymn to Tourach? Bluewins, your right that alot of decks make the front page because one of those 5 guys made it and they all comment on eachothers decks no matter if they are good or bad, but don't be a jerk about it. Its just how this site works and the rest of us dont really care.
Wow. Ok, firstly, likes=/= points. Comments do not effect likes. If you want proof, i have a few decks with the same number of comments and likes, which obviously disqualifies this theory. Rather, both comments and likes are taken into account for deciding points. Thus at the time of my comment this deck had 100 likes, i.e. 100 people who disagree with bluewins. Secondly, on this deck: This deck was intended as a proof of concept for an idea I suggested SWN look into, specifically combining Bitter Blossom and Thoughtpicker, to use in a modern extractionesque deck I chose fatespinner as I feel he is even crueler when you are controlling the opp's draws. This deck is for the new Modern format, and Hymn is too old to be played in Modern. I agree the current system leaves a lot to be desired, but I think your blowing it way out of proportion blue. I happen to be a rather well respected legacy player, with 4 SCG top 8's to my name. You are right that me, SWN, and others often control a disproportionate amount of the top decks page usually, but this is NOT because we attempt to rig the site in any way shape or form. Quite the opposite, we are all established members of the Vault Community. Me and SWN both are article writers (I write about deck building for crying out loud), and we, along with our 'buddysystem' try to help others, not rig the site
you are mistaken, every comment on a deck by a user other than the deck builder DOES add 3 points, I assumed that a guy with 1000+ posts and such sagelike understanding of this community from an "established member" would know the basics of how it works. your "proof" no doubt are on decks that you yourself have commented on numerous times. Listen, you have every right to make any type of deck you want good, bad, mediocre or whatever and I don't have a problem with you or your deck. or rather didn't initially, my comment was about the poor rating system and your deck happened to be the example I used. but now with the stupid and hypocritical responces to my comments voiced by you and your buddies; SWN- denounces "berating other users" then berates me Ethan- claims I don't contribute constructive comments, yet he has zero construcitve comments here. Ragged- really thinks 100 people "liked" his deck ... I now do have a problem with all of you, "grow up"? from the most immature guy here? "shut the fuck up" from the biggest loudmouth on the site? what a joke! all 3 of you!
I berate you because your aggressive [initial] post was to be berated, simple as that. Post hoc ergo propter hoc, if you will. It's quite difficult to take anyone who calls someone, of whom probably 90% of his almost 3,000 posts are advice, a loudmouth seriously. That said, I will say I agree with you that the system of comments and likes is not flawless, but to say that this is the "worst deck ever seen on the front page" and that the site "sucks balls" shows you off as nothing but an immature child whining for not getting his way. The site's admins have had many discussions, openly asking for people's opinions about how to better improve the site. If you have ideas, let them hear them, but don't drop so low as to post what you have. A scholar who shouts like a fool is judged as such, regardless of his brilliance. I'll be the first to say that the system has flaws, but I suggest ways to fix them, I don't shout them.
You know, you can call us whatever you wish, that's something neither one of us can prevent with any combination of words in the english language. But I feel sorry for anyone who'd choose to still argue with people who seriously could help him with something he clearly has an interest in. As i said, this a magic community. We offer our opinions on eachother's decks in hope to improve them. If that means a lot of comments on a deck that's not the best, then so be it. But I'd much rather a bad deck on the front page with aspirations to be at it's best, then a good deck with only "wow this deck is great!". I don't think this deck is bad at all. Mind you it's a modern deck.. And the most immature guy here, hmm? A few days ago, your usename as unheard of, to me. And yet you know so much about all 3 of us. Once again; grow up. (:
HEY! i will NOT have my name thrown around as some byword! If you are going to use my name in any manner other than to address me directly it must be presented as follows. "Buddysystem the great. The master of the Vault and all things Deck-building related. The man who single-handedly revolutionized magic."
I don't really want to get involved too much, but I really must say that bluewins does have some very valid points. I will also say that the way he initially approached making said points was completely off, and that aggression usually only begets aggression. It's blatantly obvious, Raggedjoe, that comments on a deck from people other than yourself = 3 points (excuse me, NOT likes.... because apparently they're different ._. ((they're not))). This isn't debatable. Perhaps bluewins comment wasn't constructive, but honestly guys most of your comments aren't either...which is OKAY. If you want to chat it up with each other on here, that's absolutely fine! But you seriously don't have to be a hypocrite about it (Ethan). I think the point he was initially trying to make, at least how I understand it, is that decks make the front page sometimes simply because people are having conversations in the posts. And many times these conversations are even't related to the actual deck itself. I thought the purpose of this site was to make decks and receive help/constructive criticism on how to improve them? Like I said, there is nothing wrong with posting as many comments as you would like (I pushed someone's deck into the 200's because he kept deleting my comments that explained how the stack worked, and he WOULDN'T BELIEVE ME even with rulebook excerpts), but do you really think that comments should directly affect the number which is considered 'likes'? Isn't that a bit misleading? And shouldn't the decks who the most people actually liked be the ones on the front page, for everyone to see first, not the ones with the most comments? I love this site because I can neatly build and organize decks and concepts, and can receive from or give ideas to other players who may have a different knowledge of the game. But the balance of how decks are rated is quite obviously not very fair, and I think that anyone who considers this rationally can see that. I apologize if this comment isn't "constructive", but it had to be said. And not in an asshole-ish manner.
Dude as long as you dont defile my name you can say whatever you want =)
BUDDYSYSTEM #$*@#$)()@)($)(#@*$@*)(#$*)($*#)($*@ YOU ARE A BUNCH OF SYMBOLS!!!! lol
(those symbols are badges of honor)
They BEST BE! i wouldnt want to have to come down there and get the woopin on you!
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I would like to add a few things to the conversation. Firstly, and I am very likely wrong on this, but I believe the "1 comment = 3 likes" system is relatively new--and by "new," I mean I don't think it was like that 1 year ago. So, it is very conceivable for people who have been using this site for years to not have noticed it, and also for some of raggedjoe's decks to have an equal number of likes and comments, as I wouldn't imagine when the new system was implemented that it went back and errata'd all comments to give a deck three likes. Secondly, bluewins: you are flipflopping worse than many politicians do. Your first comment is that this deck is the "worst you have seen" and that it's creator "sucks balls." Then, once SWN smacks you down, you try to play the beta male--"Oh, I'm sorry sir, I wasn't insulting your friend, I was just expressing aggreviances at the site." I would say beginning the conversation by saying someone "sucks balls" is indeed, considered an insult in most areas. In my opinion, ragged hit the nail on the head when he said that all these people who "dominate" the front page are in no way attempting to do so, anymore than Justin Bieber is "trying" to get mobbed by girls any time he goes into a Starbucks. (Yes, SWN, I just compared you to the Beebs. :-D ) At the end of the day Blue, you started the antagonism here, trying to waggle you man-parts around, just asking for a pissing match; then you try to play the part of the injured one when you realize you can't measure up? C'mon...
fight fight fight fight!!!!! you guys are all pretty funny, Church, Blue said the site sucks balls pretty clearly you should actually read a comment before you attack it. Blue, you didn't use "buddysystem" as a verb, I think you just wanted to use the word verb to sound smart. Buddysystem, you are one funny dude :) and I wouldn't dare defile your name, we should stick together and create some type of system of teamwork to acheive a common goal, I don't know what we should call it though. Surewhynot, I really don't have anything to say to you on this cause I still want your occasional imput on my decks :), Ethan, I bet blue said you were immature cause you have a picture up, or maybe cause you did the all capps mocking quote thing. (which was kinda funny but pretty immature) Blue again, why are you suprised with the responce you got? you were a jerk so they attacked ya, duh! Ragged, your deck isn't awful no matter what blue says, but it isn't amazing either, I do like extraction though so maybe I see more potential in it than most. I was thinking Hymn to Tourach would be a good way to go but I didn't realize it was for modern magic, so scratch my earlier comment and instead I'll say Memoricide is way better than cranial extraction you should try that (har har)
hahaha, "kinda funny but pretty immature" Made my day. :P I'll admit, it was immature. But my comment stands.
please look at my knight tribal deck http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=220802
Ok my name was brought up. I played Ethan 1 night on cockatrice. I have fun, doesn't matter who won to me, it was nice to test out ideas i have for decks. We chatted, he gave me some advice which was great since i have been in the game a short time. Ethan makes some good decks. I am here to post decks that i have ideas of....I don't care if anyone likes them or not. I really appreciate comments to make these decks better. But to draw a hand on here or on cockatrice doesn't really show a decks capabilities. Don't base any deck by drawing a sample hand, look at the content of a deck and make sure you totally understand what the builder is trying to accomplish. Buddysystem? so what! if your looking for ratings why are you on the site anyway. It's a tool for players and builders to learn to build and play better. Life sucks....get a friggin' helmet enjoy the rest of your day if you don't have any other plans
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