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ok so i made this and realized that this deck really hurts and is super freaking annoying.the most expensive card on here is the clifftop retreats, if you want to make it, -4 clifftop retreats, +2 plains, +2 mountains. this worked for me before i got the retreats. please comment on what you like and dont like about this deck and ill make the ajustments. Just made a new deck based off of this one please take a look and let me know what you think http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=413823 WHOOHOOO!!!! my first front page!!! thank you so much everyone!!! Have a merry christmas!!! 12-21-12 Edit: Ok so i dropped the ethereal armors and sphere of safety. added odrics to main, fervors, and krenko. does seem to make the deck run smoother any other suggestions?
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-4 Thatcher Revolt/ +4 Goblin Rally. the GR has a more expensive mana cost, but you dont have to sac your tokens at the end of turn, so the trade off is better.
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i like thatcher revolt because its like a small hell's thunder, unless you have intangible virtue and phantom generals out, it basically doubles their power. plus thatcher revolt hits them unprepared because they have haste, in goblin rally they can have some kind of defense in a turn, but i like goblin rally i might consider it as sideboard
Ninjastyle is right, Goblin Rally is much better than Thatcher Revolt here. Thatcher Revolt is mainly good in humans decks where there are lots of triggers going off when the humans ETB, so the Revolt tokens get a big boost and set up other humans. Your deck doesn't do that, you just want the tokens in a weenie strategy, so Goblin Rally is WAY better
alright well then i will drop and run and see what happens, thanks!
in addition, I would run at least one copy of Krenko. especially if you do add the Rally. the ability to drop krenko and double your goblin count the next turn is something that will be helpful.
Without any kind of removal, you will lose to Thragtusk most of the time.
I disagree. Thragtusk can be handled by a 3/3 token just fine, as can his beast replacement. Token overrun would work well against Thrag, especially with a Krenko added to the mix, doubling the goblin token count each turn.
You are going to be hitting with more than they have for creatures Optimus so I disagree with you.
Nice straight forward deck. its cool
the moment you are able to cast sphere of safety, it will be so freakishly annoying your opponent would concede haha! nice job.
thanks you, i enjoy it because it works pretty fast
nicely put together :)
thanks i enjoy playing with this deck
i kinda want to make it it would be cool
i made a mono white one based off of this one ill post it later
sweet i cant wait to see it
hey here's the deck i just made it http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=413823
Excellent job. And for under $100 is impressive. How does it do at tournaments?
i got 2nd the first time, and then 3rd the next time, im gonna go again tomorrow and see how it does. i lost to the same guys twice in a close 2-1 both times. he had a werewolf deck that has stupid naturalizes :p
your welcome hahaha
Nice deck, dunno alot of special cool stuff for tokens but Odric, master tactician could just maybe do some damage but I dont really know, considered to use some populate stuff like rootborn defenses? nice deck anyways! :)
Very nice, I'm missing some Hellriders tho!
This deck really is straightforward, cheap, with a nice mana curve. And I always love token deliciousness. I joined the site today and this is my first like :)
Also, I forgot, but swing by my own deck, and possibly, comment :) http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=414043
What do you do against Cyclonic Rift, Terminus, or Supreme Verdict? If one of those goes off mid to late game, it seems like you'd be screwed.
actually at my meta, i have had those happen, but i usually pull forward pretty well. i guess i just get lucky??
eh this deck is cheap enough that its no problem getting his tokens back after one of those happens. Considering he has token makers left of course.
Oh jesus this deck is scary! Have you considered Cathar's Crusade and Goldnight Commander while you're at this token thing, both of those are pretty sick.
the reason why i dont add those is because it works pretty well without those, but thank you for the suggestions!!! :)
Growing ranks and martial law
eh, idk about growing ranks but martial law would be supreme!! any suggestions on what to take out??
Well growing ranks would help get more tokens. To put either of these in I would consider taking out Fervor or maybe Hellrider but take Hellrider out if you NEED more room.
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wow that looks like it would be really annoying lol nice job
Goblin Ralley is a sh.t card... ...I don't get it, why you playx 4 of it & only 3 Devotion... ...sorry for sayin', but this deck doesn't hurt at all... ...the enchantment stuff you run here is better in U/W with Detention Sphere, Oblivion Ring, Nevermore & stuff... I don't have anything to add for this deck, 'cuz if I did, it would be a whole other deck....... ...here is a deck, that is cheap for standard & still competative: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=398933
contrary to that guy, i like this deck. maybe its just my love of tokens. i think someone said this before but something with populate could help. especially rootborn defenses because of indestructible. be sure to check out my token deck and comment/suggest things http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=412671
good deck and good sideboard.
Let me start by saying i loooove tokens and this deck is a neat interpretration i havent seen before of it. Suggestions i could make would be adding in hellrider, extremely good with the large numbers of creatures. I see where sphere of safety comes from but i dont know if it really fits into the synergy of the deck. It seems like a deck with a few big creatures attacking wouldnt be hindered extremely while a weenie tokens deck would be trading with your tokens without the sphere so instead you could make the tradeoffs more to your favor. And of course against control/low creature decks its just a dead card for the most part. As said earlier martial law would be a good addition, help a lot with those strong cresture decks. In the end i think i would do: -3 sphere of safety -1 goblin rally -1 krenkos command +3 hellrider +2 martial law.
I agree with this guy ^^. The main issue I have with Goblin Rally and Sphere of safety is that they're kind of clunky at 5 CMC and I think Hellrider/Marital Law at 4 CMC each would round out your curve nicer and speed up the deck since Hellrider has Haste. I would also suggest looking into some 3 CMC token spells like Lingering Souls or Midnight Haunting. Replacing some of your 5 CMC token spells like Increasing Devotion and Goblin Rally would really speed up the deck and gives you some extra evasion tokens which is always nice. :)
If you wanna spring for the Hellriders, they'd take this deck a long way. I'd also recommmend Dynacharge--in a quick token spam deck, that card could be a nice finisher. Never underestimate +2/+0 to all your creatures for 2R.
I'm not feeling Goblin Rally, with no mana ramp 5cmc is just to much especially since someone can just sever the bloodline. Hellrider would make such a great add into this spot. and possibly searing spear instead of the sphere of safety
I know you had Thatcher revolt in here earlier, and personally I prefer that card to Goblin Rally since there's not much in the way of mana ramp in your deck. I think you should consider side decking it for quicker opponents.
Great deck, love how it works: Changes? Take out Goblin Rally for Captain's call, gives you three for four rather then four for five, at lest I think knocking a few 5 outs out would be very helpful
Mana base seems a little shaky. Consider adding evolving wilds to help fix colors
do you still want dream cache for ur blue?
i also think lingering souls/ midnight haunting could easily replace the red token cards... red seems pretty out of place
Sphere of Safety and Ethereal armor is completely out of place in this deck. Hellriders, and maybe even Rally the peasants? :P
You add burn at the stake....and you win
This is a very good deck. I agree with earlier posts that recommend Krenko, Mob Boss, he would just combo well with Hellrider. I also think that you should remove Increasing Devotion you will probably never get a chance to use the Flashback cost, I would replace it with your Oblivion Ring, which could remove very annoying creatures. Some cards you may want to think of is Fervor which gives all your creatures Haste, and also a 5 drop that could win you the game Clever Riot all creatures gain double strike until end of turn.
Oh if you get a chance take a look at my W/G human deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=403033
Nice deck, Check out this demon deck if you have a moment ! Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=415031
very nice! im very satisfied with this but there is one thing i want to point out that u might like. it would make this deck WAY better if u replace etheral armor with fervor. now that i think about it tho. sphere of safety isnt a good fit. tokens are all about aggro especially with hellrider, generals, and virtues. u should probably also try to drop 1 devotion and run 2 odrics in main along with 2 krenkos. think about this. u have out fervor, 3 red sources and 3 more lands. u drop a krenkos command, cast krenko and instantly tap him and you have 9 goblins to swing in. and if u have some virtues out, theyre in deep shit.
actually i think your right i will make the edits right now. thank you this will make it run much smoother. i really appreciate it.
No problem. As far as token decks go white red is as fun as its gonna get.
Also check out some of my decks by clicking on my user name. I'm on my phone right now so its hard to copy and paste deck links. Definately check out my deck called gruul. At fnm last night I did bad because I kept getting bad hands. But I played the guy who won 1st after the tournament and won 2-0. I was playing with the "gruul" deck and he was playing W/U control that completely shut down jund. The deck on this site is identical to my real life deck except for the shock lands.
i just wanna ask your thoughts about Thraben Doomsayer in this deck i think it might work?
How about Crusader of Odric because its power and toughness are equal to the number of creatures you control. I would take out Fervor and maybe one or two Krenko's command.
im sorry but your suggestion wasnt incredible. ;P that seems sort amateur-ish. you would think something like that would be good but the idea of this deck is to kill just as quick as u start win the board presence game. crusader of odric is good in some decks but if an opponent would overload electrickery or mizzium mortars, which are starting to be played more frequently, crusader will most likely be sitting there as a weenie 1/1. fervor is too good for this deck to drop for crusader, and krenko's command is basically a red version of raise the alarm and helps out krenko. this deck is constructed around speed and quick overrun and not weenies swinging with a biggie or two. that's why crusader isnt a good card for this deck.
also sir jayden i have a few more suggestions for you. 24 lands in a 60 card deck is a lot. i reccomend dropping to 22. also drop 1 krenko, drop the devotions, and 1 general. that gives u 5 more cards to work with and 22 lands is plenty for a 60 card deck. it would be best to use the 6 card slots on a 4th haunting, 4 lingering souls, and a 4th doomed traveler. the deck will run smoother and give u more options during your turns. also if u are questioning the lingering souls by the black flashback, dont worry about it just think of the card as a sorcery version of midnight haunting.
thank you so much, i haven't checked out my account over christmas because its family time but i think you're right i took 1st last week in fnm with this deck!!! but i did have some close calls because i didnt have enough creatures to kill with, as in i would be like 3-4 life total off from killing and it made it harder because my opponents would take that extra turn to be extremely annoying. but i really appreciate it, and yeah i'll look at your other decks.
Don't you think 12 four drops is problematic?
not really, i mean i have lots of two drops and one drops. so by the time i get enough mana it works pretty good.
One last thing.... 24 lands would be way better for you dude. You need to be able play your stuff. I've been doing practice hands with this deck, and it just seems troublesome. Even 23 lands would be a pretty good idea.