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Combo deck with Heartless Summoning. The combo's: If I have 1 HS out, Perilous Myr becomes a Shock. With Havengul Lich, one mana = one Shock. If I have 2 HS out, Solemn is a free land and draw. With Havengul Lich, one mana = one land and draw. I have no idea what I want to do with the sideboard though, except I know that I need to get ride of Grafdiggers Cage which negates letting me play spells from my graveyard. Suggestions/comments would be really appreciated!
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Sword can be risky in this deck since you've only got 2 creatures that aren't automatically dead due to Heartless summoning and you definitely don't want your Lich dieing.
Think I'd replace the think twice's with forbidden alchemy, quick way to get Myr or Solemn into your graveyard (best case scenario ^^)
That's a good call, thanks! Changed that up.
The thing is that Myr has to be moved into the graveyard from the battlefield so it wont trigger. Dont know of Simulacrum if does he actually "die" when discarded, I think not eather. Consider removing a couple of Alchemies. I would like you all guys to comment on my EDH deck I built recently. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=295976 Thanks in regard.
We know but since your using Lich to recycle them forbidden alchemy is a great searcher turn 3 forbidden with any luck get your lich and dump a myr and solemn turn 4 cast lich (with heartless out) and since myr and Solemn are both in GY you can start recycling them
Steel Sabotage might be another option for dealing with the cage.
throw in priest of urabrask and devils play. if you have heartless and lich out with them in hand its an infinte fireball
Ratchet Bomb would deal with the cage as well.
Perfect, I needed to have something that could deal with it if I fail to counter it (turn one drop if they are on the play). Thanks!
I made a similar deck, but with red as a third color. Red lets you play Priest of Urabrask, which lets you make infinite mana with a lich and summoning in play. Red also has more answers for grafdigger's cage: manic vandal and ancient grudge being the best choices. Here it is if you want to take a look: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=289857
With red you can also have Goblin Arsonist which can infinite ping if you have a priest and a havengul as well as HS out =P
Doesn't the Lich make it so you can cast it from the graveyard? As in you still have to pay the mana for the creature just that you can now cast it from the graveyard as if it was in your hand?
Heartless Summoning makes my creatures cost 2 less, so perilous myr is free and solem costs 2 with a HS out.
I forgot about the heartless summoning!!!
it doesnt work that way with arsonist. he cost 2 colorless less to play. his cmc is one red mana. so u still have to pay it. it makes stuff like a titan that originally is 4 and 2 white or 4 and 2 red become 2 and 2 of their color. colored mana costs are unaffected by heartless.
it does if you have priest of urubask and a single red mana. pay 1 colorless and 1 red play the priest, he dies you get 3 red mana, two to play him again and 1 to play arsonist
well it looks pretty cool man. how about instead of mana leak replace it with a kill spell or corpse lunge. reason being with all the fast big fattys and mana ramp mana leak is becoming less effective, but it is still super badass.
Havengul Lich with perilous Myr can kill most of the big stuff in play right now by turn 4 3 mana out and pyrilous myr can be brought back 3 times for 6 damage with kills titans and that's just after turn 3.
you don't need 24 lands if you curv out at 5 maybe 20 will be better
Guy at my shop is messing around with this but i think you have too many 4 ofs and not enough removal/control. Check out my Grixis List: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=295135
perhaps some number of distress? maybe 3 mana leak, 2 dissipates, 3 distress split might serve you better.
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Wouldn't it be cool to reclaim those myrs and solemns through postmortem lunge or something like it?
Absolutely not. He wants them to continually return to the graveyard for the Lich to use.
And perhaps some darkslick shores instead of all those basic lands. What's the finisher btw? I feel like you need some hard hitters instead of relying on perilous myrs.
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Necropede would give you basically infinite -1/-1 counters. It'd be great for killing off their creatures, or comboing here with undying if you wanted. It's a large combo, but: Heartless, Havengul, Necropede, and Geralf's Messenger is a pretty funny kill combo.
Precisely. In my deck version I used some.
Virulent Wound + Coreprowler :D
Hm just realized how sensitive this deck is.. If I keep all my creature removal to target your Havengul with you're screwed. Maybe you need something like Gravepurge? That can also counter stuff like Surgical Extraction which would mess you up big time.
Awesome deck! Such a great idea! I might recommend adding a few undying evils (insurance for your lich). Also, could you use Midnight Guards at all? It seems nice with all the creatures entering your battlefield. also, I know your deck isn't red, but it seems worth splashing so that you can add in a "Flayer of the Hatebound"
Might want to up the mental misteps to 4 cause I can see Surgical Extraction causing hugh problems otherwise.
and perhaps side board 4 surgical extractions yourself ^^
So, if lich dies, is surgically extracted, thats game? What if someone has nevermore in their sb? Idk, just seems like a lot relying on one card that has multiple ways to screw with it in this rotation... I think its a cool idea though.
Like any combo deck ^^
Which is what the counterspells are for!
Saw this in the starcitygames live stream
Spellskite to counter single target removals?
Very interesting deck.
pretty sure this deck is the "heartless grixis" deck from the starcitygames live stream
don't you guys see...the Lich says," pay 1 and you may cast target creature from a graveyard THIS TURN." If you have a Heartless Sumoning out, the Perilous Myr costs the initial 1 and then can be cast an infinite amount of times because his casting cost is 0. And because he imidiately goes to the graveyard because of the -1/-1, it's infinite damage. Am I missing something?
yes u are missing. the exact wording is u may cast TARGET CREATURE blah blah blah. because the lichs ability actually makes u target a creature, u would target ur myr. u would then cast him. after u cast him it checks and sees that u have resolved the ability by casting him. therefore when he comes in and dies u will have to pay the 1 because u will have to target the individual creature.
combo deck are poop
ur an idiot. storm decks are amazing in legacy. so obviously combo is not poop. people would probly just point and laugh at u if u ever went to a competitive magic setting and said this. let me guess, u play mono green? GTFO son! if it was poop why it top at a star city event? have u topped at a star city event? guess not huh
not sure but could you revive the same creature more than 1 time a turn? isnt it like mentor of the meak? 1 time only?
it is something u have to pay for each time. thats why the urabrask build is slightly more reiliant
how about the BURNING ZOMBIES B/R ZOMBIE? http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=297372
There's another combo like this but using priest of urbrask.
you can put that in this deck for infinite mana which in turn gives you infinite damage
Regardless of what people say. This deck lookslike it has some potential. If I'd play standard more actively I'd consider creating this deck myself. I lookslike it can be fun to play.
I think mental misstep should be 4x and maybe main board 2. That card can effectively eliminate a lot of major dangers this deck could face. Its counters gravediggers cage, nihil spellbomb, extraction, the three most portent disruption this deck could face. A good dissipate can also stop your comboing cold, but thats not til turn 3 and only exiles 1 of your cards. So i personally think mental misstep is the best all around counter for this deck. Not to mention it can mess with weenie decks. Also i think you should run some extractions yourself. You can remove copies of problem cards after you counter them and kill them with myr. As for dismember i think you could do with out it. Its a great card but with all your counters, myr, and tragic slip. Doomblade or GftT is much better suited of this deck. As for distress I'm not really liken it. Sure it can remove dangers form the opponents hand at will, but it is just very difficult to cast(when running more colors than just black). Unless you add some darkslick shores or more black mana i would try and lower the number of them or just find something else completely. Finally i think you should run a wider variety of main board instants. You effectively can cast any instant/sorcery card in you deck twice with your combos. So why bother with 4 ofs? But I mean, you do get more consistent draws when have 4 of a copy so its up to i guess. lol. Nice deck i like it a lot.
I also think you could lower your land by two with no problems.
Love the deck, I just put together my own version of this combo. Couldn't afford the Snapcasters :D Take a look at mine and let me know what you think: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=297491
I really think you should run a couple of jace memory adepts in this deck. Mill yourself or your opponent to fill the graveyards with lich targets. the beauty of lich is that he can Target both gyards.
I just don't have room for it... and its 5CMC, which is a little too much for this deck. Good suggestion tho. it made me think pretty hard
needs red! faithless looting / priest of uru for infinite mana as well as access to artifact removal for grafdigger makes the deck
Gotta love decks that use Havengul Lich. Check my deck out. Its not combo focused, but pretty consistent. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=298462 it uses Lich, Snapcaster, but splash into red for burning vengeance. (no, its not priest+heartless+devils play deck - trying to make a different focused one). So each time you summon your snapcaster, you draw twice (secrets of the dead), and you damage twice (burning Vengeance). Grats on your deck,
Nice deck! I was inspired to make a Grixis version with the infinite combos. I don't know how well these types of decks will run professionally, but it sure is fun to play! If anyone would like to check it out, herrrre it is http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=298879 (but I'd rather you check out my Solar Flare deck, my beautiful little baby :D http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=296807)
okay so u got infinite shocks, but I'd strongly suggest an alternative win-condition Sheoldred would be fun to play in here. The same goes for massacre wurm, great way of dealing with all the token strategies out there!
I like your suggestion of Sheoldred, and I have added it in! I'm not too worried about tokens since those decks dont run a lot of removal so I think my matchup against them is strong enough as it is.
Why run dismember when your playing black. Use GftT or doom blade instead.
I just noticed Cloud of Fairies goes infinite with one HS and Lich, since the land untap lets you pay both the Lich and the Fairies repeatedly. There are probably better ways to obtain infinite storm (and it's not like storm helps in standard), but I like that whenever you stop the last Fairies activation still leaves you with your lands untapped.
Hmmmm Try this one http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=298797 its not combo based, but if you land a gravecrawler + grimgrin + diregraf captain + rooftop storm = infinite dmg triggers and an infinite/infinite creature. also Im using lich just in case they nuke grimgrin or diregraf from tabble. and if combo dont show up... no problem, I still can win with creatures no problem. Well, dif deck, dif strategy, but still worth to take a look. Grats on your deck also.
you dont need grimgrin if you do diregraf + gravecrawler + rooftop storm + heartless summoning ( truly infinite combo )
Looks better now, though i disssagree with shimmering grotto. If your worried about getting the right mana, then add darkslick shores. Sheoldred is a nice backup win-con, but I would peronally reccomend wurmcoil engine over sheoldred. Wurmcoil has more raw damage output and gains you tonnes of life.
Couldn't you put some Rune Scarred Demons in here? they become 2 drop 3/3 flyers that tutor for anything you need like a Sheoldred or something. If you can find room they'd be pretty amazing. All in all Sheoldred+lich+Perilous Myr wrecks though. Its an awesome idea. Good job man. If you have any time I could use some advice on a couple of my decks. Golem Token: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=269433 And a standard Zombie: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=295316
This deck is really great. Perilous Myr+Havengul lich+Sheoldred+heartless=death. If you have any time i was wondering if you could check out some of my decks. Infectious overgrowth: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=300800 smallpox: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=300775
To be honest I don't think Solemn Simulacrum shines in this deck. Fetching land and drawing cards does nothing to this deck since you don't need mana ramp with heartless summoning. And quite frankly, you'll never pull of the 2x Heartless Summoning + Lich + Solemn combo. I recommend taking him out and fill the space up with more control cards like despise and mental misstep. Even Vapor Snag would be a good option. Hope that helped =)
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This is how I'm running it. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=299908
hey all this is a pretty cool deck, im building zombies currently, maybe ill build a spirit deck in the future. can anyone do me a favor and check out my newly finished vampires? id greatly appreciate the criticism thanx!
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Sorry man but this deck is really bad cause it fails comboing after game 1 too often ... No hate for surgical extraction nor grafdig cage nor nihil spellbomb. Lich is overrated in actual standard environment it misss a lil something. Must find a way to protect lich from removal like undying evil or an equipment that gives hexproof.
I would replace shimmering grotto with evolving wilds in this deck. You can crack the evolving wild in response to the end of your opponents turn, gain the land, and also have a reshuffle in case your not getting what you need. The grotto is okay, but evolving wilds would be better for this deck.
have you thought about falkenrath nobles?
What you want in this deck is a way to get out your entire combo. If your lacking the necessary cards, ponder does help.The thing about this deck now is that its no longer standard, and its illegal in modern because of ponder. If this doesn't bother you, carry on. Otherwise, consider these additions.First of all, Priest of Urabrask. With him in your deck, you have infinite mana, therefore infinite shocks.Harvester of Souls. 6 drop 5/5 (or was he 4/4?) with deathtouch and "When ever a creature dies, you -->may<-- draw a card". Theres your card draw. And just in case you were afraid to mill yourself out, its a may ability. Runescarred Demon is a 7 drop 6/6 that allows you to search your deck for a card, also has flying. If the card draw isn't helping you out, definitely consider this card for that extra search power. I understand your running B/U, but consider R as well, for Devil's play. Priest of urabrask + devil's play + heartless summoning = infinite damage (if theres no myr in your graveyard)."But Tri-color is crazy risky", I know, I know. But thats also why you have fetch lands from your Solemn Simulacrum. And if that isn't enough, add in a Chromatic Lantern or two.Hope I helped.