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Revamp of ye olden MBC, finally buckled down and bought some bitterblossoms, and I figured they'd be neat in this kind of deck. First draft sideboard, refining it eventually....
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Seems as if MBC has gotten rather popular, lol. i like it, man. (: hypnotic spectre gave me an idea for an extended lock down
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Thanks man! And yeah, seeing a good MBC again made me want to re-do mine since it's been so long, and yours is the first MBC I've seen in awhile that I've liked other than the TNE decks on salvation(It makes a great teaching tool). And as for Hypnotic, that thing is just beastly man, running it makes almost any black deck so much more... Evil :P
Haha thanks! and yeah, hypnotic seems like a painnnn :P but i find the secret to MBC is the sideboard. like last night at fnm, i decided to last minute include phyrexian revoker, and man it won me games. i kept the hexmage maindecked so that if a planeswalker presented itself, I could deal with it. but next game, once I know what I'm going against, I drop the revoker and now their planeswalker is a dead draw. :D
I agree that the secret to MBC lies in it's sideboard, I usually run it the opposite way though. It works like crap for standard, but in legacy where every deck has about five or so search lands it's usually better to just disrupt their mana.
Yeah, I can't really say much seeing how I've only ever played standard, but that makes sense. question though, whats the big deal with braids? I mean, I don't really see the big deal with her.
The deck is all about grinding it's opponent to a stop, and she's a lodestone on CRACK. Because of how the deck works I should have a two-turn advantage at ALL times, and that means at the point they're ready for a turn two play, I play her... Usually making them sacrifice either a mana dork, or a land, maintaining my advantage even longer. So basically with her AND Nether Void, I have a five-turn advantage on my opponent.
Ahhhhhh, I see I see. I can see the value in her, but by reading her alone, it seems as if there's a LOT of potential to get screwed over with her, lol. A deck I'd lovee to make, is a wither deck. dropping a massacre wurm after all of my opponents creatures have been rendered to 1/1s, ahhh<3
There's a card in extended that makes all other creatures 1/1's, I had been thinking about making that kind of deck before I traded my Wurm for a OTK... I've heard they're actually supposed to be really good too, and with your building it will be even more interesting to see.
Ouuu, if you find the name of the card, I'd love to go extended. although I've never built an extended deck, I'm sure it would be fun. (:
It's not as good as I had heard, but it's Godhead of Awe. Another thing to do would be the kamigawa land that makes 1/1 spirits for your opponent.
looks like i've got some research ahead of me, lol
You've no idea dude, I've just finished a lands deck... I have never before, nor had the intention of, researching that archetype. I usually make my decks in about five-ten minutes, but this one took me three days of research, and still has some testing left... Then it's on to Pox!
Hahaha, i'm trying to start EDH, but i dreadddd all the research and money I'll need to invest into it.
Yeah... Good luck with that lol. I gave up on EDH when they made my favourite creatures worthless. They banned Braids, and using Memnarch as a general means I can only make colourless mana... CURSE YOU WIZARDS!
Well I'm going to wait until I can win a fnm to actually start building, but it'll be fun/ :3
What is this OTK? I've been sitting here for 10 mins trying to figure it out, haha =}
I traded to get the OTK, but there is a chance of OTK'ing white weenie, and tokens.
what does OTK mean. check out my W/B deck please
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One Turn Kill.
funny how i posted a comment saying "one turn kill, got it" and its not here.
The Bitterblossum makes it work flawlessly, well worth the investment methinks. =] Also, I love to see Bloodghast in a control deck. It's a MBC deck's way of saying "Oh, and by the way...Bite me"
I've always thought of Bloodghast as the mtg equivalent to Ricky from the Trailer Park Boys myself, he just doesn't care. I've been pretty happy the blossoms work so well, I had originally just got them for my Faeries(sub-prime legacy), but they work so well that I had to test them in MBC. The deck is probably going to wind up my way of playing stax effects, until the countertop braids gets up.
Dudeeee, you know of the Trailer Park Boys? That's so rad. haha I got to see them live. ;P
Not cool man, not cool. Trailer Park Boys is one of my favourite shows, so if you say you've seen Rush live as well, I will be forced to spite you lol.
sadly, No I've yet to see rush. But I have seen the Trailer Park Boys, and bubbles sang closer to the heart, so i guess that counts for something :P
I used to have the video of them doing that as my homepage, it was kind of awesome for the internet to be heralded by Liefson and Bubbles.
I took a look at BB for my black deck which is very similar to this, I like your cards tell me what you think of mine. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=116772
and by the way, Nether Void... That is a really messed up card. If it was not so insanely expensive that would be going right in mine.
Yeah, Void is just epic, and yeah... The expense is maddening right now, but if you invest in Nether Void, you'll never look back as long as you play lol
Hey congratz on Top Decks dude. You've earned it! Also, turn 1 Dark Ritual --> Hippie = Opponent should save time and scoop.
True That! Though when I played against a turn one Hippie, I just bolted.
Thanks dude, and yeah... People only keep from scooping if they can pull off a StP next turn lol
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I have a similar MBC Deck that I actually bring to Legacy tournaments. It pretty consecutively places top 4 if not wins. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=151819
more dark rits and necropotence. draw power=god. also, if you run dreams where is the puzzlebox???? seems like another deck and not really control. its too confusing what are you trying here? draw puzzle dreams is another deck built on killing with the combo. Control is about controlling the field and hand. Duress and damnation seems good for control as well
and where is the stripmine. ITS SOOOOO GOOD!!! check out my control deck and tell me what you think http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=151925
bloodkrimson, not so sound like a jerk...but have you played Legacy? This is a very good deck. It's design allows control locks that can rapidly shift to overwhelming aggro. The dreams are there for entirely different reasons, not necessarily as the win-con. Also, Strip Mine is banned in Legacy and I believe restricted in Vintage...So, since most Legacy decks hardly use normal lands anyway...Wasteland works just as well and is legal.
Dreams is a psych card usually, it provides MILES of VCA against blue. It forces entire decks to work around it, which is easy, but it forces them a half-turn or so back. The deck functions off of virtual turn advantage, an old idea, but a deadly one. Rather than accelerating myself, I slow my opponent down. By doing so, I generate greater and greater advantage, and then simply crush them. If you watch anything with superheroes, or any anime; think of me as the main villain.
Thats funny man, hehe. I was imagining some dark, ghastly, person just sitting, playing magic, and laughing his evil laugh of doom. before I read the last part. Heheh >: D
Dag, it's comments like that which keep me on this site, and in this game lol. And I'm not THAT menacing, I'm more like a young and fit version of Lewis Black
we all know the best lewis is ethan lewis. ;] haha I'm just joking.
How would this fair against dredge, solidarity, and affinity? You should playtest those too if you get the chance.
Dredge is pretty much decided by if I can kill something of mine with Umezawa's Jitte or not, and Affinity walks over and poops on this... This is geared more towards the slower aggro, such as Countertop Progenitus, and sometimes Fish. Those two are hyper-aggressive though, and that is the major weakness of this kind of deck. Solidarity I've never really used, seen, or even looked into... So I'm clueless there
As a PTQ Affinity player, I feel the need to point out that your statement includes the understatement of the year :D Or maybe I just like my deck too much... I've never heard of Solidarity either. I wouldn't worry about it, I doubt its a T1-2 deck
Joe, your affinity is just cheating... I'd have to take it to a different level and use some of the builds I did for Vintage to deal with that thing lol.
Solidarity was a tier 1 deck in 09, and it's still a very strong deck in Legacy.
I'm not really sure which would win, after light testing it seems a bit favourable though.
Solidarity is a brainfreeze/ Stroke for the win deck, similar to Spiral Tide or Spring Tide. Check out my Legacy deck if you're curious.
aha, i commented your other MBC deck saying to add in bitterblosems, and looky what we have here. ^_^ still not diggin the underworld dreams though, i would just drop them for more dark ritual. dont like the leaden myr here either, or dark confidant. card advantage is good, but not when its gonna kill you before you can take advantage of it. with the bitterblossems and the 15 3mana+ cards i feel like youd end up taking alot of damage? i LOVE the addition of duress though. such a great card. is bloodghast necessary? he cant block, and is pretty tiny, even though he keeps coming back, hes just so weak, and your not running any removal.
The reason I don't run dark rituals is a whole debate between blue and black players man, I only run two because it's easy to be hit by a two-for-one if they counter the card you play off of it. Dark Confidant, meet Braids, she's here to shank you now. And Bloodghast is recursive, at next to no cost... I've been thinking of replacing the Lake with an Undiscovered Paradise so he'll recur even easier. He works because he's like Jose Canseco, he don't give a @#$% 'bout no crabs!
Also, a bit above I explain Underworld Dreams, it is to blue what Spore Frog is to most things.
WnB has it right. As I explained in a different deck, Dark Ritual, and cards similar to it, are potentially more of a risk to their owners than to the opponent. That's why an extractor, at least one that knows what he's doing, won't extract the Rituals at all, even though it might seem obvious to take out the speed boosts. Also, Bloodghast isn't supposed to ever block (if he could I mean), he's meant to aggro someone's face off.
i dont know anyone who would extract dark rituals. you extract threats.. not support spells.
Well, like I said, an extractor who knows what they're doing.
well you inspired me to turn my MBC deck into a world shaking legacy badass MBC deck. I am only investing in 1 Nether void and 1 Abyss but I have a few fetches in there that will help me out. The one deck type that I have trouble with is Blue control (namely merfolk, isochron silence turn 2 kind of shit) how do you find this deck fairs against decks of that type?
It actually does pretty well, the key to those matches is how you sideboard. This deck already has a decent match against those two though, really the worst matchup for this deck has been Zoo... The Vexing Shusher is basically the only thing a Nether Braids deck should ever have to worry about other than Reanimator.
Yea just played against a friends wolf blitz zoo deck and realized I might have to sideboard a few things for that. I find Crawlspace is a good way to spare some time but once his creatures are hitting the deck faster then I can put them in the graveyard I dont know what to do. And back to the blue counter control what do you tend to sideboard in and what do you take out??
Fish usually sees me do something like this. -3 Duress -2 Dark Ritual -1 Lake of the Dead -1 Bloodghast +3 Thoughtseize +2 Snuff Out +2 Pithing Needle Others just depend, since there are so many ways to play counter control in blue.
thanks yea didnt think much of pithing needle but I put two and two togather and well I am definitely sideboarding that.
So I added in 2 bitterblossoms as a true finale to the build. Have you ever had it where the bitterblossom came close to killing you? Im just worried since it seems like the only way for me to get rid of it would be with smokestack. I mean I guess that once you get all those fliers you just swing and close it out but if I am bringing myself down with thoughtseize and the blossom I might have some problems.
Hi WhiteAndBlueTheyKillYou, Ever thought of using Defense Grid in the side board, its great against blue control if you can sneak out after a Thoughtseize or Duress to remove any bounce or counter. Defense Grid Artifact, 2 (2) Each spell costs {3} more to cast except during its controller's turn.
I absolutely love this build, looks really fast I'm not sure if my build could keep up with it, and ideas or comments? Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=244265
Thanks! I haven't tinkered with MBC in a while, and I think it's about due. And of course I'll check out your deck!
Its nice to see sink hole in a legacy build that isn't paired with vindicate. I love them together but its great to seem them shine sepretly as well
So I think my final build for my Mono black control is done. I owe a lot of the final decision making to your example here so thank you for that. Take a look and tell me what you think.