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Just a touch of control mil at a midrange tempo. should play fun. :PDon't even have to run the Flooded Strands, just a deck shuffle if necessary.
infinite mil with altar of the brood and ornithopter being comboed with a midnight guard and retraction helix. standard counter control and deck manipulation to help ensure the combo. ideal turn 4 combo out.
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Have you considered jeskai sage instead of seeker of the way? the card draw might be worth more than conditional lifelink
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The 1/1 merfolk that draws cards via tapping could work too.
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This is wonderful! Maybe not the most competitive, but stuff like this is just fun. +1 for you sir!
I love this deck, all the recommendations I could think of are not standard unfortunately. So I will just give you a nice +1 from me. I made a similar one (non-standard), but if I remove a few lands could make modern. For those interested in a different variation:http://www.mtgvault.com/potch/decks/bounce-baby-bounce/
could you explain the deck combos further for me? give me a play by play?
You attach Retraction Helix to Midnight Guard. then u tap Midnight Guard and return Ornithopter to your hand. You can then put Ornithopter back on the battlefield which will untapped Midnight Guard. And u can do this infinite times. And with Alter of the Brood every time Ornithopter comes out opponent loses 1 life.
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they don't lose one life they mill one card, but otherwise yes
you might consider darksteel citadel if you're running ensoul artifact. also astral cornucopia can be an ornithopter replacement since you can cast it for 0.
But its not a creature so the guard wouldn't untap.
ah, got my wires crossed was thinking ascendancy loop, my bad
great use of altar of the brood. :)
dig through time is better then treasure cruise when used in a combo deck
I agree. much more expensive, but much better
I'm gonna run two dig's at standard tonight.
Hey bro, nice deck, +1 from me.--- Also have you considered Render Silent on the place of Dissolve?
Is that standard legal? I'm converting to modern soon, but wanna troll some kids tonight. :P
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Printings.aspx?multiverseid=369022
dude this has inspired me to make this deck in a modern version.....i love you man :,) lol
http://www.mtgvault.com/gregorion/decks/toothless/
this is my edh deck would like for you to check it out whenever you can
I've wanted to use this combo in Standard for a while, good job! Although I have a deck for Modern that uses this combo as well, but instead with Retraction Helix/Banishing Knack + Ornithopter/Memnite + Intruder Alarm/Mirran Spy.And I notice that the combo has a lack of consistency (I.e. you only have one card for each combo piece). I would try testing some simple U/B dual lands and some Disciple of Deceits just for fun to see if they help your combo get into your hand more quickly. Just a thought.
Appreciate the thoughts much man, ill check em out
Hopefully you can shave off the extra 2 cards to go down to 60, you want as much consistency as you can get with a combo deck
^I took em out right now, didn't realize I was running 62 for some reason. Check it out now, it's what I'm going to try playing tonight at standard.
why is this deck not allowed in modern?
dig through time was banned in modern
^ dig and cruise provided way too much early game power for combo search.
ah so that is why
Looks pretty darn cool to me!
Bro, I gave you your plus one. Try runing Taigams. People say its bad but it worked well last night. Effectively thins 6 of your cards for combo search. (Itself, + 5 cards if none are combo pieces.)(Edit): Read Disciple incorrectly. Good addition indeed.
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And remember if this goes modern, Emrakul will need to be dealt with ;)
thinking tomads crypt for modern
this isnt cheap..
for an infinite combo deck this is still pretty cheap
I disagree. http://www.mtgvault.com/bootsncatsn/decks/mindcrank-combo/
wow I got downvoted on that? its a $90 deck if you drop the fetch lands and digs its probably around $30
but can this deck work WITHOUT fetches and digs? I have my doubts.
it can but the replacement cards wouldn't be standard older dual lands and brainstorm/ponder it can even run the tricolor land
Someone just needs to Get their head out of the butt. Any deck under 150$ is, in mine and many people i knows, opinion a 'cheap' deck. when normal to expensive decks run quads of 20$ cards thats 80$ just in 4 slots.... his deck is 40$ away from 4 Thoughtseize's. If this isnt a cheap deck idk what is.... +1 from me for creativeness!
I suppose "Cheap" is a relative term.
This is a cheap deck, believe me. Compare this mere $90+ to a deck from Legacy like Death and Taxes, a steep price of roughly $1,650+. Even in standard, decks that compete in the Pro Tour can range from $150-$200, double or x1.5 the price of this.
Most good competitive decks in standard run for 200+. This isn't meant for tournament play because I see no real way to win much without your combo (and once someone get's comboed they sideboard to remove the combo the following game.) If you drop the fetch lands this deck drops to like 50 bucks...If you don't have 50 bucks then don't expect to build a decent deck.
^There are some really good budget decks, especially with SOULFLAYER out you can just go mono black for 20 bucks but if you play against removal you're gonna want control. Just my opinion but I think control gives you more win options.
And Mind Crank is great to go in this deck, trust me I've toyed with the Mind Crank+Blood Chief Ascension combo and it's fun, but this is STANDARD infinite mill. If I had the cash flow I'd drop the Disciples and run Ashiok's instead-better win con.
You should add four darksteel cindels and change out the dissolves for stuburn denial
Use ensoul on cindels so that stuburn will always counter no mater what if you don't have a big enough creature dissolves and/or dissipate
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Makes if need too turn this into a modern build add a elite arcanist
Springleaf drum? what purpose does that serve? you can't get infinite mana with it because it has to tap as well as the creature. can it really speed up the deck at all?
Springleaf drum helps safely trigger disciple of deceit.
It's a safe way to tap disciple of deceit.
ok, I guess that makes sense.
Yeah I don't wanna be swinging face with disciple and risk her to creatures, id rather have her tank removal which helps my case if the game goes long.
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Thanks! I've built a U/W deck based on the combo and going to play test it Friday!
whatcha runnin?
http://www.mtgvault.com/onefallenshadow/decks/uw-infinite-mill/
http://www.mtgvault.com/socalithurts/decks/singe-the-fringe/Here's my control deck. Think the combo would do well in here?
I wouldn't even run it, id just throw in the rabblemasters and go ham. That's a pretty solid u/w jeskai spinoff there sir. +1 from me.
Have you considered play testing this mill-strocity (I'm liking the deck, btw!) with Sorin, Solemn Visitor in place of Jace, the Living Guildpact? Sorin would beef creatures a bit for both your and your opponents turns until you're next on the play; possibly steering your opponent away from attacking you. Jace does give you a way to feed delve and gain information each turn; setting up your next draw. Alone, with their +1 abilities, I like Sorin in place of Jace. I'm biased though as I haven't actually played Jace yet... :-P Just looking for your input in this regard FadedHerbivore!
Jace is free dig every turn, the only reason I run him. I could look into dropping something for Sorin though. lemme look into it!
instead of stubborn denial i would put a play set of mind sculpt so you can make sure you have more cards in your deck if you do it that way it'll be evil
nevermind just reread the card
Here's my feeling if you true want to go infinite mill spring leaf drum disciple plus freed from the reel it's truly infinite mill it's also unlimited tap and Untap helps for other combos to latch on with
I might be a bit late as someone else may have said this, but id suggest running 4 of each fetch land you can...(Flood Strand, Polluted delta, and Windswept Heath). that way , if you play those three rather than plains or islands respectfully, you're thinning your deck out slightly per fetch played increasing your chances to pull the cards you need... it's a small buff to the deck, but it might help the consistency!
Well, I like this deck alot! Personal suggestion, run 4 Darksteel Citadel, 4 Ensoul Artifact. Indestructible 5/5s, plus they activate the Altars.
Ensoul does sound solid, I agree
I know he's not very cheap, but with you plunking down an Ornithopter many times a turn another option would be Purphoros, God of the Forge? Mill 1 + 2 damage each turn. It's another combo option.
Built a variation on your deck with Impact Tremors, Purphoros, and more counterspells. Essentially, the deck ONLY works if the combo comes up early as there are few critters to help.http://www.mtgvault.com/lowercasejay/decks/ornifry/
This combo is A LOT harder to achieve than the this combo originally brought to the KTK pro tour by this man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVVd-D72CVs
with the jest card id combo it with drown in sorrow or bile blight to have decent removal against token shitters and maybe adding in a lil bit of pump to use stubborn denial more effectively maybe ordeal of thasa? pump creature when it gets big enough draw 2 +1
Can someone tell me why a spot in the sideboard is taken up by a swamp???
The extra swamp is most likely brought in along with Ashiok to help cast Ashiok and the Disciple of Deceit. This would be my assumption. :-) Who wants to see squirrels? http://www.mtgvault.com/dustyb/decks/squirrel-madness/
holy crap +1
holy crap +1 so cool
this seems legit, atho wouldn't it be more consistent to remove white? now with dtk, you can replace midnight guard with zephyr scribe, and then instead of ornithopter you could bounce something like briber's purse, which still mills your opponent with altar of brood.
that would work its another way of doing it and it does eliminate white but id rather get rid of black to be honest and use the white for some life gain along the way
Don't know if anyone suggested this, but as an alternative win con you could play some number of Anafenza, Kin Tree Spirit for infinite +1/+1 counters.