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First your opponent has to get through the discard spells, but they can only get 1-3 spells out of the way, so you'll have a few more to ruin. Then they start getting stuff. Then a couple of their things are getting past, so just destroy them! Then if you get garruk and there's nothing but land in play, just make wolves attack, then they play a creature kill it with garruk and make poison wolves! Then sacrifice them for eternal witness and scavenging ooze or something that can help then bust them! After all this you end up with one or two creatures or they do.Please comment. The reason i'm not running dark confidant or tarmogoyf is that they cost a fortune. Please tell me what to change!
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I'm trying to make a modern deck to play at FNM But I have no experience in modern so I don't know what to prepare for. Please tell me what to change and if this would be modern tournament quality. I will return the favor. :)
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not sure if this helps, but I like predator ooze..
Do you think this is a good deck in modern? Please tell me. And the only reason I would not run predator ooze is that it costs 3 of one color in a three color deck. thanks! :)
slime molding is a sorcery you might get use out of late game... and yeah I think this deck could do really well
Thanks! Are there any decks you want me to look at? I'll have to tomorrow though it's really late. :)
my zur edh. Its what I use the most and any new ideas are useful. id like to keep most changes to 3 or less mana though. heres the link: http://www.mtgvault.com/greggygreg/decks/enchantment-guru-2/
I completely agree about predator ooze being added. numerous reasons make me agree. first board wipes are present as well as a good amount of larger creatures. predator ooze will serve as a blocker as well as an attacker later on. You may want to consider primeval titans as well to get lands out of your deck to thin it out as well being the big hitter. I'm not as ggood with control but i feel a few more counters and discard cards would assist a lot.
Thanks! Do you like this deck? And I think primeval titan is to mana-expensive but I'll try to work with the land to get predator ooze in, And do you think this would do well in a modern tournament? oh, and one last thing, what do you think i should take out for predator ooze? :)
I'm thinking a finks and a sower. while finks is a great card it's only getting weaker after it dies and predator is the same cost and will only die to neg counters and exile. Its a much sturdier card. And while its always fun to take an opponents creature the ooze is cheaper.
Yea I think final should be replaced with predator ooze too
I say take out spell snare for spell pierce
Should I switch them? I mean from main deck to SB and The other way? :)
Yea I think so
Okay, I did. Please tell me if you like this deck and if it is good and If you think I should a deck called Healing Bear! :)
Yea this deck seems good maybe desecration demon?
Oh yeah! How many and what to take out. Please tell me if eternal witness is good in this deck. :)
I think enternal. Is not good because pretty much if you add Dd I would say yes but if you do not add dd I say no
It is imo. Its a minor defense against mill and discard plus you get to choose what you get back.
Wait why would eternal witness be good if I add Desecration Demon? And I should Keep it in or not? And What do you think I should take out for desecration demon? :)
Okay, i want one last call before I buy this tomorrow. So please tell me what you think I should take out for the demon I want this deck by friday and If I order it tomorrow I think the website I get it from can get it to me in time. :)
I have to say tye threads it has a very big limit to what you can steal off the opponents
I say take out threads for dd
Really, no threads? I guess I was assuming that they would play a tarmagoyf or dark confidant or kor spiritdancer or scavenging ooze or if they get a good token ( if dark depths was modern, do that and look at their face) or just an average creature but if you think I should I will take them out. :)
Keep threads in sideboard for goyf sorry bit tired now
What should I take out for the threads in the Sideboard?
If they play goyf while you have predator ooze you have no worry then if it hits the grave get rid of it with scavenging ooze. while goyf us a great card its honestly easily dealt with. and there's really not going to be a token worth stealing. marit lage and the token from voice of resurgence are imo the only ones worth stealing and marit isn't viable in modern
So No Threads at all? I have a desecration demon and I can't find it. I'll find it tomorrow. :)
Id have to say the mealstrom pulse and an engineered explosives
If you want them just in case id take out the above.
The above? What do you mean by that? But I really need engineered explosives against goblin decks and zoo and those types. :)
I meant the comment i put above. but in that case thrun. Yeah he's great but there's going to je more wrath of god over one that lets you regenerate him.
Okay. What about thrun and maelstrom pulse? :)
Actually, I don't need them that much do I? Do you think should just forget them? :)
Yeah that's what id take out of the sideboard. sorry about all the spelling errors my phone hates me sometimes. but with three pulses main the one in the side isn't really needed. And as i said its likely going to be wrath of god over something like day of judgment so you won't be able to regenerate thrun anyway
I don't think the threads are really needed goyf will really be the only card worth stealing that's two casting. dark confidant really isn't worth it either i mean it speeds you up on cards but they likely won't kill it and let it kill you. its a great card that can really backfire.
Thanks! I put in thrun for control decks though I guess you're right it can be killed like that though I might be able to counter it. :)
Though darksteel plate may be an option to keep that from happening but in modern its more aggressive play. it looks like it'll do pretty good. if it doesn't just change it around a little to help against what gave it problems. i don't see much being problematic other than decks with a focus around exiling
So I should put in darksteel plate or not? I'll go to bed now. :)
No i don't think so. i mean it'll protect something byt it will slow your whole strategy down.
I like this! Have you considered Necrotic Ooze?
Do You think It would help? The only creatures I have with activate abilities are scavenging ooze and birds of paradise, but thanks so much! :)
Hmm, maybe not so much haha, it just popped in my mind because it's one of my favorite ooze ^_^
Yeah, I love ooze. Sometimes I think OF make a deck where you give ooze all kinds of abilities like flying, Then you imagine a flying ooze A soaring blob going over your head and blobbing into a building. :)
It's like.. flying pudding! Yum...
I like it a lot. I'm actually about to post a deck with predator oozes in it. I think that you might need another liliana, and of course be careful with cards like that, they can be dangerous if they fill your hand. I think that instead of the shock lands you'd do better with fetch lands. your deck is getting there, but isn't yet tournament worthy in my opinion. keep it up and tell me if you need anything else. :)
What would make it tournament worthy? Please tell me. I'm doing the lands last so that's why they're not so good, And what are the cards making it not tournament worthy? please tell me. Wait and I should put in another card that might harm me? :)
The fetch lands cost a point of life but thin your deck out.they are expensive but typically a staple in tournament decks because they tap for mana and let you thin the deck out
Nevermind they don't tap for mana but thinning the deck by letting you search for a color you need
No no I know that fetch lands are good but I haven't got round to buying the lands to this deck. I might not want to use fetch lands because they cost like $60 a piece. Please tell me non-land cards That are making this deck bad. :)
Do you think it's worth it with their cost though? :)
That is a good question i think they would help manage your colors and they work with the shock lands if you want to use them as well. If so i would definitely get misty rainforest and verdant catacombs. I think those are they only two that would work I'm not sure though. but yes i think they'd be a good buy for this.
How much would that cost in money though? And i actually normally do not need to thin out my deck much because some of the lands morph into creatures and if I'm saving a decay in my hand waiting for something I can play the garruk I just drew and play the abrupt decay cause I have enough land. Though they would help I know, But it would cost a lot of money. :)
What do you think I should add to this deck other than land. I can do the land myself, but I'm not as good at coming up with spells. The land I have right now are not the land this deck will have in it when it's ready. :)
About 220 for twp each. and as for. blue cards maybe a couple draw or flyers
You need to ease off the green mana costs. Make it a little bit more black. If you don't you'll have problems with liliana, predator ooze, desecration demon, and cards like that. I think that you should drop blue also. Sower is good, but there are better cards to use in its place. Desecration demon is too easily shut down in modern, so maybe try a demon of death's gate or something. I like the birds of paradise, eternal witness won't be useful at the start of the game and might need to go, (I'm sorry that I don't have replacements, I've never run a modern deck like this.) You'll need some shroud or hexproof if you want to survive anything, so try thrun, or something similar, and replace the countering spells with black boardwipe, (preferably effective black boardwipe, but that can be expensive) You don't need to worry about enormous creatures in modern tournaments, so inquisition is good. You'll want to be careful with the scavenging ooze, as it's only green mana and can easily be shut down be opponents. And finaly, Garruk relentless should not be in this deck. If you really want it, then only use one of them. Do you want me to recommend lands? Or would that overwhelm you...
That's what I was thinking. I can do the land I just wanted to do the other stuff first. Do you think 2 thrun main deck would be good for sower? Do you think I should drop predator ooze? It that it costs 3 green in a multicolor deck. Maybe only 2 eternal witness? And I will take out blue, when this deck started I had more blue in it but parts of it changed and blue got worse and worse. Please tell me of cards that can replace desecration demon and please tell me of good creatures that could fit this deck. Thanks everyone! :)
Ok. I'm thinking that you should drop predator ooze in favor of either spearbreaker behemoth, or asceticism to regenerate your powerful creatures. I honestly would drop vraska, and I would throw in another liliana. (liliana vess if you're having money issues.) the desecration demon should be replaced by a glissa the traitor. and maybe some lightning greaves if you can fit them. there are other cards that you could use, but I find these very useful. also, work on deck speed. some of these cards may slow you down, be careful with too many large creatures. I hope that this helped. :)
I think ascetecism costs to much mana, But I think You're right, I need something to save my guys. Is This better? Look at the deck to see, But please tell me of the cards that are slowing me down. Thanks! :)
Ok, that's fine. I think that you should switch out two llanowar wastes and two overgrown tombs for 2 more forests and two more swamps. If you don't the fetch lands could slow you down. Also, only run one courser. And what are you planning on using Garruk for? most decks run red and will just kill him. All you'll get out of him is four mana for either a kill or a 2/2. So I don't know about it... If you're ready with lands, then try switching out a woodland cemetary for a mutavault. Start there. I think that predator ooze will slow you down in an aggro match, but kill in most others, except against cards like path to exile, that could be problematic. Tell me if you want any other advice. :)
Okay I can take out garruk, but I need a killing card in its place, I seem to need one. The reason I had him in is if I need to kill something I could use him and If not I could get a wolf. I kind of don't want to put in mutavault because It only taps for colorless but its ability is awesome! And why only one courser? Do you think I should have something in the SB to switch with predator ooze in aggro matches? I think that you are right that I should switch out some cards for basic land, but I don't want to many land that only tap for one color. Please tell me if you have more advice! :)
Okay! thanks. I want a card in garruk's place that can kill a card on the turn I play it though. And why one courser? I think maybe I should switch a swamp for the mutavault? please tell me of a card I can put in my SB for predator ooze against aggro. Thanks, any more help would be great! :)
courser can be nice, but just isn't enough in modern. And I guess that you can switch swamp for mutavault, but I'd be careful with fetch lands... You should really check out my new american control deck! It's awesome.
actually forget what I said. You can use fetch lands for the overgrown tomb as well. You're fine.
I'm not sure about this but maybe nightveil specter
Here is your problem, you want a Modern Tournament deck and almost all competitive modern tournament decks have fetch lands. What separates the winning decks from losing decks are tempos. One turn is often the difference between a win and a loss. 18 lands with 8 fetch lands is alright, 18 lands with 1 fetch land is broken. You will have mana problems. Also, 6 of your 18 lands come into play tapped, further adding to your problems. I know you asked to comment on things other than lands, but mana base (and sideboard) is what wins tournaments. All of your other cards could be AWESOME, but useless without the mana. Advice would be to temper your expectations, and add 4 more lands. And/or start investing in some fetch lands as they can be used for ANY deck. Meaning, if you want to try another tournament deck, you have your fetch lands to use as they are in MOST competitive decks. Also, your creatures are all over the place. Green, blue, and black. Desecration demons, kitchen finks, it doesn't really seem to fit together. What is your win engine? The ooze? It costs 3 green mana, again, goodluck getting 3 green mana, 2 blue, and 2 black with your mana base. Your creatures need work. I would stick to green and black. Not sure where to go as there are so many directions. I like your non creature spells though.
Do you think 4 verdant catacombs? And You're right I should drop blue. Please tell me of more creatures for this deck. Thanks so much! :)
Your welcome. Yes 4 Verdant Catacombs for sure. Some cards that may fit: courser of kruphix, polukranos world eater, and I'm thinking Vraska the Unseen may be a better fit than Garuuk.
Thanks! You've helped so much. Forgot polukranos! I love him, so I'll try to make him work. And Garruk has got me from bad places to good places very efficiently so I want to keep him, Though I can add vraska with garruk! One second I forget what courser of krupix is. :)
Okay! I'll test courser and the others, thanks so much! :)
if theres blue in your sideboard, then why no blue lands? I still think this would be a nice deck. since you only have 51 cards, how about you add some cards? perhaps jarad, golgari lich lord? I would also add thrunn, the last troll to the main deck as it synergies nicely with this deck.
Thanks! Sorry, I was in the middle of changing this deck when I had to go. That's why all the things were weird. I forgot jarad, I'll test him out and I was about to add thrun and take out blue. :)
Does anyone know what the green-black god pharika does? And Could someone tell me of a few more land for this deck? :)
Pharika is not out yet
Maybe golgari rot farm
I know. I was wondering if anyone had found information. :)
Oh ok I do not know about pharika but I bet it sol have something to do with +1/+1 counters
Okay, I think I'll order some of the cards now, but only the for sure ones. :)
Julian would you mind checking out my new standard deck I need help with it
I either am putting in polukranos or desecration demon. Please help. And should I add another predator ooze? And all of you that helped, thank you, this deck runs so much smoother. :)
I say demon because 1 it takes over the board 2 not a legend so you can have more 3 in my opinion polukronos monstrous is not good In this deck also since your running no blue now take blue out of the sideboard
Oops Forgot again. I will keep demon and take out polukranos! :)
Also 1 card remaining maybe another walker or dd?
Yeah, I can't decide. Which do you think? :)
I would say a demon
Okay. Thanks. :)
Okay everyone, Now do you think this is tournament quality, Or not? Please tell me of any changes that can be made to make this better. And Now we move on to the Side Board, I have a lot more to do there. Thank You so much everyone who commented and replied this runs so much smoother and is much more efficient than before. :)
Well what I would do is play it for a bit then see what problems you have then go fix those
Okay, do you think I should buy it then take the problems with it then buy cards for the SB that could help. Is this deck good enough to buy yet? :)
I would probably buy it if I had the budget(meaning I'm not rich) but I think you should buy the cards for main deck then buy the sideboard this deck could have problems with control
Okay! thanks that is what I was planning to do. The reason I am going to buy it soon is I already have garruk, liliana, abrupt decays, maelstrom pulses, one thoughtseize, a few of the land, greaves, birds, 1 desecration demon, and eternal witness. Then I have a little over $200 dollars in store credit on a website, so There is not to much left to get. Thanks! :)
Do you think I should add another desecration demon? I used one for one of the first times and it kicked bum. But I can't figure out what to take out. :)
I need something against flyers. Please tell me of some! :)
Add a couple bitterblossom! its unbanned now:)
Oh good Idea! It's really expensive, but I'll try to manage it. What about putting in raking canopy in SB for now? And would bitterblossom be in main deck or SB? One last thing, If a token dies could I exile it with scavenging ooze? If I can than bitterblossom would be great! :)
I know tokens hit the grave then fade but I'm not entirely sure about using scavenging oozing it. bitterblossom would be main all the way. Its definitely main deck worthy. cheap casting puts tokens that fly in and takes flyers down. i know its expensive but id suggest at least 3. Its a simply overpowered card
8 think you can because the tokens hit the grave for a second
Okay so just when they die I can do it. And what about grave pact it would kill with bitterblossom. :)
But what should I take out for bitterblossom and maybe grave pact? :)
Sorry I've been really busy. id take out an abrupt decay and a finks for two bitterblossom.
Or just drop finks all together and put three bitterblossoms which would be better
I like both of them, but I don't want three bitterblossom. :)
Please tell me of cards that can get rid of mirran crusader, It is so annoying. And cards that rid me of other hexproof cards or cards with protection. What about phyrexian obliterator? :)
Obliterater would be a bit hard to cast..maybe glaring spotlight for tthe sideboard instead
Oh would that work for mirran crusader? that's great thanks! :)
Also gut shot would work
I would have to have two though... thanks! And do you think grave pact would be good in this deck? It's just so good if they have a desecration demon or a dragon and nothing else and you have grave pact down you can topdeck a birds and it will be just as good as anything else. :)
No glaring spotlight won't deal with the crusader but takes hexproof away
Do you think grave pact then? It deals with both. :)
Yes grave pact is good
Yes definitely. maybe creakwood liege as well to spawn tokens and give a boost to your creatures
What should I take out? Thanks :)