Turn 1 Win

Thank you! I'll add the coupon to the sideboard. :)

You do realize that you can do this exact same thing WITHOUT the unhinged card?
http://www.mtgvault.com/2stronk/decks/turn-one-self-mill/
With this, you can burn out on turn one with the Laboratory Maniac. And it is WAY cheaper.

Thank you! :)

I actually think that you should switch white for black. Because that would let you run demonic tutors and vampiric tutors over the white cards you use...

okay, you're right, thank you! :)

Oh, and Vampiric tutor has an ''activated ability'' of paying 2 life so if you have lair in play you could search up like 4 cards! :)

They are the same as Fastbound. Restricted to 1 in the deck in Vintage format which is the only format there actually legal to be played.

Adamantian, It has nothing to do with being a combo deck or jealousy. The deck is based around illegal cards and actions.
http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=judge/resources/banned

Why do people on the vault have such a big problem with there being a deck that uses illegal cards and in't actually serious, and why do they ruin there day trying to make people not like it? it's not like it's hurting them. :)

B/C without following at least the restricted list for vintage there are to many ways to win on turn 1 guaranteed. Do you really think it's fun to pull out a deck with your friends and say I win before they get to play anything. It's pointless! I say with your friends B/C "UN" cards are only legal in a casual format.

well this deck is not for actually building, it's for just for fun to mess with, and I would never build this. i'm sorry if this deck wasn't understood. :)

Thank you! I don't know exactly how it works because mindslaver says ''You control target player during that player's next turn'' and R&d's secret lair messes it up, so who knows! :)

fair enough

I really don't know what happens, they are just odd cards! :)

very true

don't worry, I'll be right over to your deck in a second. :)

Lol Marit Lage aint got nothing on annihilator. Plus march of the machines says bye bye marit.

I am afraid to say this but you are One Odd Bird. I had to get that in. :)

Thank you! And For anyone who reads this comment, if you want me to look at your decks, please tell me! :)

I think that is how it works, R&D's Secret Lair is so strange that I think you can do that but who knows! Thank you! :)

IF this deck were using legal cards, R&D Lair doesnt do what you want it to do. It reverts the text on the cards to be played as written, ignoring errata, not changing rules to allow you to make a player concede. Again, if playing by the rules, You cannot have more than a 15 card sideboard, but I suppose if you are playing this casually, and your friends dont care if you brought a truck full of lands, I guess, good for you......

Oh yeah, i forgot that the cards in the sideboard except the coupon are not actually in the side board they are just there to represent. :

Thank you! :)

thank you! Are you new to the vault? :)

yes i am. i just made my account a couple days ago.

It is no serious deck for sure, but it is weird, and thank you! :)

Maniacal maniac, I don't believe he intended for this deck to be taken seriously, sometimes the front page needs decks that are just a fun combo that never works or a ridiculous deck that makes people laugh. :) for example, see my "not so budget deck" and you'll understand what I mean.

I think because you can play like 5 lands and do ridiculous things with them and there are probably crazy combos. Thank You! :)

Thank you, but what do you mean that not even mindslaver and r&d's secret lair don't stop your opponent from conceding? :)

http://media.wizards.com/images/magic/tcg/resources/rules/MagicCompRules_20130927.txt

712.6. The controller of another player can't make that player concede. A player may concede the game at any time, even if he or she is controlled by another player. See rule 104.3a.

He means that Mindslaver can not make your opponents concede. It is not errata it's MTG rules.

Adding 6 more illegal cards doesn't exactly help this deck.

Wait, 6 more? :)

Actually, that wasn't what I meant. I meant that your opponent can concede during your end step to avoid doing house work for you.

Well then it's a turn 1 win! :)

I concede. ; )

i'll be right over, and thank you! :)

thank you! And you have the point of the deck straight on. If you want me to look at any of your decks please let me know! :)

You can browse if you'd like, but no specific decks come to mind atm. I basically just refer to the vault as a "visual" tool to use when wanting to build a deck. Or, if I'm bored ill just try to throw random decks together in like under 5min. I don't ever get much help from ppl on here anymore, so I've just decided to stop asking.. Lol.

Okay I'll think I will have to go to bed soon so i'll go through them tomorrow. :)

Oh I didn't even notice that, thanks! :)

Thank you! I'll go check out he deck. :)

Hey Ajani, have you read what R&D's Secret Lair does?
In the case you can't read the card here, check out the link below.

http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=73967

I know what it does. It says ignore all errata. It does not change the rules. Errata is when a card gets reprinted with a different wording such as Sylvan Library has been to make it more easily understood. A good use for this card might be with Marath, Will of the Wild, who has been errated to say that his X cost can't be 0. Effectively, you could then pay 0 to but a 0/0 token and trigger something like Phurphoros, who would still hit the 2 damage regardless if the token died upon entering. The fact that you ignore the Errata for cards has really nothing to do any of the cards in the list except for the coupon, which is in the sideboard. (Or a big stack outside of the game according to the deck maker.) Again, nothing to grab the card from outside of the game. Fastbond is a powerful card, but it doesn't allow you to go pick up a stack of lands and start dropping them willy nilly. To play a land, it must be in your hand. No errata about that.

But the card also says: "Play cards as written."
So, basically it means that you have to literally do whatever is said on a card. As example:
If you have R&D's Secret Lair in play, and cast Zombie Apocalypse, you first return all zombies from your graveyard into play, then you must destroy all HUMANS, including you and your opponents. You can always grab your chainsaw and say: "Okay, we can do this the hard way, or you all can concede right now."

So, if you have R&D's Secret Lair in play and you play Mindslaver, you are allowed to literally CONTROL your opponent. You can say: "How about you go jump out that window? We are only in seventh floor after all..." So basically if you control R&D's Secret Lair, several cards allow you to win the game instantly, since your opponent will quickly concede after you start casting cards like that.

That is also false. Controlling someone during their turn according to the rules, not the errata, states that you can't have that player do things like that. Here are some examples.

712.5b The controller of another player can’t make choices or decisions for that player that aren’t called for by the rules or by any objects. The controller also can’t make any choices or decisions for the player that would be called for by the tournament rules.

Example: The player who’s being controlled still chooses whether he or she leaves to visit the restroom, trades a card to someone else, agrees to an intentional draw, or calls a judge about an error or infraction.

712.6. The controller of another player can’t make that player concede. A player may concede the game at any time, even if he or she is controlled by another player. See rule 104.3a.

Do you have any further objections to the point that you literally CANT do the things you are saying?

Just about the only unglued combo that is feasibly making a player WANT to concede is using Chaos Confetti, a exchange control of target permanent spell, and a spell that makes all other non land cards Chaos Confetti. But that one just says Concede or I rip your expensive card to pieces and throw it in the air.

But hey, after all, R&D's Secret Lair is an UNHINGED card. Most of them screw up the rules anyways.
...and don't you think that it is much more fun to play if playing the Lair that way? I've always thought that Magic: The Gathering is here for people who enjoy simple, pure fun. At least I think that way. That's why me and my friends simply LOVE to create new gamemodes for us to play. ...and if rules of original gamemodes stand in my way for having fun, I guess no-one gets hurt if me and my friends "change" the rules just a little, little, tiny bit.
...well, at least if my opponent is wise enough to concede.

Thats the point I'm making though. Any game is no fun when an opponent all of the sudden says I can change any rule to say or do whatever I want it to do so good luck anybody else. Fun for me would be somebody owning me turn 1 with skill while following all the same rules that the rest of us have to. That, to me, is skillful and fun.

As you said earlier, fastbond and R&D's Secret Lair do not allow you to PLAY lands from outside the game, but where does it say on fastbond that you are playing the lands, it says put lands into play, not playing them. :)

The actual rules really only apply to a certain extent in casual. They're more of a guideline than anything. All that matters is the "house rules," and whether or not everyone, whom would be present, is ok with them. If he/she and their pals want to use the lair's rulings in an extreme literal sense, then by all means gas up that chainsaw.

God, dharr16 has the point! Where were you yesterday when I really needed help here?

Sorry friend, I've been working.. A lot. Responsibilities and all that. I'm actually on my way back into work at this very moment!

Well Julian, putting a land into play is still from somewhere inside the game, depending on where specified. If no place is specified, it defaults back to from hand. The difference is that putting it into play doesn't count towards your 1 land per turn count and can happen on an opponents turn if the card allows. Even if were saying that he can do this though, the Mindslaver still isn't a win con. I'm not sure of any house rules that would actually say, "Sure, Mindslaver means your can do anything." That just isn't fun.

well what happens if i have 3 lands in hand and I want to put 200 into play? It says "you may put as many lands as you want into play" and i want to put in billions. And Dharr16 has the point of this deck right on. same with NorthernWarlord. Thank you! :)

The fun is in the imagining, not the application to reality.
Comedy of the absurd.
I can picture the scowling TurboGeek Ron in my group being forced by magic to buy pizza and provide drinks. Not gonna happen in reality, but is funny to imagine.

AjaniBeastMode, I applaud your pinpoint accuracy. Even if it pops the balloon. Rep+1

"Gas up the chainsaw" nice turn of phrase! If nothing else, this whole line of comments has been HIGHLY entertaining! Well done, everyone.

Yes, you get an A+ on this! This deck is not to actually play, it's to have fun toying with what could happen. :)

Thank you Shinza. We need more people like you here.

However, this deck does get some major style points for being unique. :). LIKE!!!!!!