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*Thinking about*:Time WalkMox Diamond / 2nd Mox OpalMystical TutorExpedition Map / Sylvan ScryingSensei's Divining Top
Playing a tutor-based storm/combo/wish deck can be confusing and rather difficult at first, but sticking to it rewards you with AWESOMENESS !!!
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Looks awesome, do you switch into Storm after game 1? Sorry if it is obvious, not too up with vintage!
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It is really awesome to play! :)No, this deck is Storm in G1, the "real" Storm-cards are in the Sideboard because of Burning Wish, basically giving me 4 Yawgmoth's Wills etc.Also it allows me to use a great toolbox :)The "real" Sideboard-cards are Ancient Tomb against resource attacking/lock decks and Defense Grid against control.
Ahhhh got it, thanks!
There is another funny combo with Oath that could be used as an alternate win option from the sideboard: Krosan Reclamation! It's a trick I learned from the old "Trinity" Keeper decks that had a transformational sideboard. In game 2 you put your Griselbrands into the sideboard and add the Reclamation. Now, when you activate your Oath, you'll put your entire deck into the graveyard. However, this includes the Reclamation which can be cast via flashback. Whatever you shuffle into your library with it will be the card you draw next, so it acts like a tutor. Which basically means you win when you activate Oath because you can Wish into a Will with your entire library in the grave. Provided you have the mana for that, of course. I don't know if something like that is viable anymore but it can catch people by surprise, especially when they sideboard StP, PtE and simimilar against your Griselbrands that aren't there anymore.
Hmm that is a great way of tricking opponents I haven't really thought about, mostly because a Burning Wish deck obviously doesn't have that many sideboard options :/Although it is a great suggestion, your assumption of it possibly being not viable might be true: Grafdigger's Cage. It is the most used hate card against Oath & Dredge in Vintage at the moment , which also hoses Krosan Reclamation. But with Cage and Oath both in play, Oath is still useful: I have won games chosing to uses Oath's abilty; Cage will prevent Griselbrand from entering the battlefield and he stays on top of the library, making me draw Griselbrand. All I need now is a Show and Tell or fast mana.And since Yawgmoth's Will is only accessible via Burning Wish (siding in Will aswell seems weak to me at first glance), only casting it would cost 7 mana, which isn't too big of a problem, but also three different colors of mana, which is a big problem.Thank you, though^^ It might be very easy to break Krosan Reclamation, but since Oath (especially Burning Oath) gets so much hate towards its' graveyard aswell, this might not be the most... surprising and/or effective way. It's rather a game of "Can I win now? Or now then? But NOW, yeah?", even after sideboarding ;)
Well, Vintage is dead here where I live and if there is some action going that I don't know of, the metagame would be inbred. I really doubt there is a global metagame for Vintage.
Vintage never dies, I think that's the point of vintage! I think its a bit too expensive for most people, even though once the investment is made then you never need to buy a new deck
Which is exactly why it dies. Wizards has zero reasons to support this format, only reasons to bury it for good. Because it doesn't require you to get new cards. They can't even make money out of reprinting Vintage cards because they are on the reserve list and generally way too broken for anything. Legacy does fine but Vintage? Maybe if someone would run proper tourneys where a certain number of proxies is allowed. Until then the only time I play and see others play with Moxes is the kitchen table.
There are proper vintage tournaments, I just think the best home for vintage is online, and Wizards are fully supportive of online vintage so I guess its just shifted
Well, I was talking of "paper Magic". Playing Magic online somehow defeats all of it's purposes. I am collecting cards since 1994 and want to use them in games with opponents I can see into the eyes and drink a beer with.
Oh I agree, I don't play magic online because it isn't very good and you don't really get to interact with thecommunity, but if you want to play vintage, its somewhere you can actually do it
Nah, I am fine since I don't care for tournament play anymore anyway (regardless of format). And my casual group is using Type I rules, so I am fine.
Since Vintage came to MTG:O, many people who never played Vintage before enjoyed it veeeery much, appreciating a deep format that is fun to play aswell :)It is not a problem of a lack of (potential) players, but a money-related problem, as you pointed out Puschkin. So there are unfortunately only two ways of playing Vintage competitively: Travel a lot (A big part on Vintage tournaments allows 10 proxies) or play MTG:O.Maybe the P9 will be affordible when the economy will actually supply the peoples' needs again, rather than maximizing profits... Thus not in our lifetime :( ;)
Not in this case - maximizing profits and supplying needs is actually the same in MTG. As can be seen currently with Commander, Conspiracy and especially From the Vault reprinting expensive (=needed) cards all over the place, generating TONs of profit! Wizards is in the lucky position to literally print money and when any collector complains about it's collection being devalued Wizards can always pull the "We are just making format X more accessible" card which is a thought-terminating cliche. I started selling cards online about a year ago because Wizards is reprinting so much and constantly devalueing my collection. They finally focussed on the secondary market (which they claimed will never influence their policy regarding reprints, may arse) and not for good in the long run (imho). So I am now selling those cards that cross certain value and that I don't care much about. I don't do so because I want to make profit, I do so because I fear I lose money when they get reprinted.See, I invested a lot into my collection and was only able to do so because, for at least 15 or so years, I could be sure that the collection would not decease in value. So, if I was in need of cash, I could always sell some cards and be fine. But now, everything is up for grabs! 10 Years ago the only way cards could get reprinted was the basic set and some rare exceptions. And since the basic set was part of the Type II card pool, they were quit limited in what they could reprint. But now, with things like From the Vault that don't have any format attached to it, they can basically reprint whatever they want without ruining any format. That's why they can safely reprint Maze of Ith, Hymn to Tourach etc. without any repercussion. Commander, at least, is it's own format, so they wouldn't reprint something like Sneak Attack in Commander, but on the other hand it has powerhouses like Sol Ring. Basically put, sans very few cards they can reprint any card they want. And they will.On a sidenote, Vintage is always associated with the P9, which is a bit outdated. Timetwister for example is rarely played and doesn't really belong to the club anymore, while other cards like Mana Drain, Force of Will, Bazaar of Bagdhad or Mishra's Workshop are much more crucial for the format but also incredibly pricy and hard to obtain. And there are cards like Chains of Mephistopheles or Tabernacle at Pendrell Vale that are on par with some pieces of P9 money wise even though the reason for that escapes me a bit.
Although I generally agree with your points (don't wanna answer to everything), I think you misunderstood me just a bit.I meant complete satisfaction of needs; Everyone who needs a certain card would be able to obtain ANY card for a price that represents the cards' manfacturing-, transportation-costs and up to 10% of profit (+ taxes etc.). Noone needs manipulated supply/demand quotations which, as you said, allow printing of pure money (about 100.000% of profit seems to be normal these days, not even talking about the obvious possibility of "reprinting" Beta etc. cards even today *conspiracy theory alert*).So no, I can't fully agree with your first statement: Supply has to be restricted and only increased if Wizards is happy with the price, not when people actually need or want certain cards. But they have to be JUST willing enough to pay, if you understand ;)
So we do actually think the same. I was just to illustrate that when wizards supplies needs (as in what players demand to be able to play certain formats) then they are also maximizing their profits :)
Well they probably make more from standard because of rotation
Of course, I do. But that's nothing new for me, I do that for 10 or so years now (selling the Type relevant spoilers that I boosted as long as they are hot and then picking them up again for cheap 2 years later), but trading online turbo-boosts that. Meeting somewhere face-to-face with a trade binder is a very rare occasion. Typically when you meet and want to trade it is always "let's play first" and several hours later it's "nah, I am too tired, let's trade next time".
Really? I always trade first and then do games so we can enjoy and test the new cards