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**Note**This is a casual deck that I play with friends. My meta game is thus:*No sideboarding*Any card is fair game (as funds allow)*Not just 1v1, also play Two Headed Giant and Free for All*You never know what you are up against, as there are no "cookie cutter" decks.I still would love to hear your ideas on how to make the deck better!
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Try Guiltfeeder. With your deck he could be a powerhouse.
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Imo you only really get good use of liliana vess in a deck that will refill an oponents hand because without any ramp the earliest you can play her is turn 5 which if your discard is working like it should they will have no cards to discard, for the same reason im not to fond of lilianas caress or megrim. the scepter is a nice card but you have to pay the mana for it to work every turn I would find a card without a constant mana cost to deal discard every turn something like bottomless pit but im sure there are better cards where you wouldn't have to lose one as well. also the painful quandary is a cool card I would add another one. The deck in all looks good but I think you have to many cards that will damage an opponent with discard but not enough discard to keep that damage constant every turn for example I ran a sample of your first 3 turns 20 times you got mana screwed a couple times but you averaged 1 card discarded by turn 3 a few times you had 2 or 3 with your hymn, you just need speed with your discard and more discard it really all depends on your metagame though and how fast they're decks are. but let me know if you like my feedback and if not let me know why so I can see things with a new spin maybe and make better decks myself also check my discard deck out if you have time good luck!
Hey thanks a lot for the feedback. This was experimental and I had to build with cards I have in my collection. I built it and ran it against a few different types of decks and here are the results.1. Aggro killed me more often than I got them. Just need a couple more turns and aggro wouldn't allow that lol.2. Control, obviously control hates to be discarded so there was a good success rate there.3. Midrange decks this won most games because it got the time it needs.I agree with your feedback 100%. I had many games where I just plain had no use for Liliana's Caress and Megrim because they had nothing to discard. However this was not my problem as much as just not having any defense up most games. That was truly my problem against aggro. Feels like maybe having Vampire Nighthawks would really help. One thing you did not mention in your comment that I was surprised about was the power of "The Rack" and "Nezumi Shortfang." Provided you get those cards out somehow you can do guarenteed damage every single upkeep and kill them rather fast. I had a few games where they were taking 6 damage at their upkeep. So that is a very good reason to use Megrim and Caress and then sit back on "The Rack" and "Nezumi" who actually transforms into "The Rack."The deck needs something to stall though. Any suggestion? I considered Vampire Nighthawk because he is a great defense and the lifelink could buy me a turn or two. Let me know what you think and I love getting feedback!
Maybe you could use a spell that lets you gain life and the opponent lose life: like Soul Feast. That could buy you a turn or two. But it isn't consistent. Something like Vampire Nighthawk is very consistent.
Would recommend 4 Dark Rituals. Almost any black deck should run 4 Dark Rituals. It could help you against a speed/aggro deck.
Hmm, just playing around with some things. Here are the possible changes I'm considering.1. Go down from 4 to 2 Megrim.2. Go from Black Sun's Zenith to Mutilate because it's a tad faster in the beginning of the game.3. Took out the 4 Ravenous Rats and added 4 Vampire Nighthawk for defense and lifegain.4. Added a 4th Painful Quandry since those stacking is just brutal.5. Added 3 Sorin's Vengeance as an alternate win condition. (**Note that I am worried about the 7 mana**)6. Took out the 1 Liliana Vess7. Took our 1 Scepter ( I still like scepter as a consistent discard engine)What do you guys think?
Nice! Would still add Dark RItual. First turn, play swamp, play dark ritual for 3 mana. On your very first hand you can play almost any card you have in your hand. It speeds up the deck. Besides that, the deck is looking really good! With a Dark Ritual you could play Sorin's Vengeance on the 5th turn!
Okay LOL....changed my mind on Sorin's Vengeance....just feels way too slow for this deck with no ramp.1. Took out the 3 Sorin's Vengeance and add 4 Surgical Extraction.2. Took out the rest of the Megrims 2 and then had room for one more card. Decided to use 1 Shrieking Affliction which is "The Rack" and also means I can stack more and more upkeep damage assuming they don't have enchantment removal.Ugh, hopefully this is a good build....we shall see!
All in all it looks like a much more consistent deck I would consider possibly changing the sceptres for a blackmail just for some more speed against cheap casting aggro decks
Yea that is a good idea. I don't have Blackmail, but I think I see the point. I could add Despise or Duress perhaps? I'll test it a couple ways and see.
I'm still undecided whether this will make deck better so let me know if you like it or not. Replace distress with wrench mind.trade the sangromancers for vicious hunger. And trade the rack out for nyxathid. The vicious hunger I'm iffy about but the nighthawks should keep your life relatively safe your one enemy is going to be fast cheap costing burns
I agree about the discard card. You do not have a single turn 1 discard card. I would run Duress or Blackmail. Besides that, the deck looks nice.
The Surgical Extraction card is neat!
Yea I figure Surgical Extraction is good in any black deck, but especially with them discarding you get some great targets for it.
Okay, I tested the deck again with the changes discussed previously.1. Aggro couldn't keep up with the increased lifegain from Nighthawk and Sangromancer.2. Still good against control.3. Decent against mid-range. Mid-Range seems to be a slower matchup because the creatures are good and I end up relying on Upkeep damage from "The Rack" etc.I have to say that I like it a lot now. It runs very consistent. In my current meta we just play casual and nobody sideboards. In the even that I create a sideboard, I think I can improve on the mid-range play if needed.
Nice then congrats