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Use cards like Act of treason or Mark of Mutiny to gain control of target creature, they gain haste, so swing for damage, after that, sacrifice them with cards like Culling Dais, Mortician Beetle, Bloodthrone Vampire, etc. Bazaar Trader is in the deck because if you don't have him in play, when you gain control of target creature, you swing for damage and then you sacrifice it, BUT, when you have a bazaar trader in play, you gain control of your opponents creature instead of sacrificing it, since there will almost always be creatures of your own to sacrifice. You'd much rather want to steal creatures permanently than sacrificing them. Please leave a comment for improvements! *EDIT* Deck is now Bought!
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Bazaar Trader can trade to yourself? I guess it says target player. Wow like the loophole!
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Yeah, I also didn't know that until I checked it up. Thanks man! (:
I've always wanted to do a deck similar to this, nicely done. With a Liquimetal Coating you could use Metallic Mastery to gain control of more creatures (or anything else of his you want) :p
Thanks! Yeah that would be nice, I don't know what to remove for those cards though :/ Hum maybe Sideboard then? The deck has none at this hour so that has do be done. ^^
I love how you guys think outside the box for these combos. :) great job on the deck btw.
Thank you! Do you have any ideas for improves?
If you wanted to go non-standard then Liquimetal Coating + Training Grounds + Memnarch is a really easy snatching combo :D
Does Gruesome Encore work with Bazaar Trader? That would be an awesome combo if it did.
unforchenetly it does not, i play something very similar to this so i checked it out and gruesome encore exiles the creature at end of turn so there is no point in gaining control of it
reassembling and sarkhan the mad are also excellent i would reccomend -2 traitorous instinct +1 mark of mutiny -1 fume spitter -1 panic spellbomb -1 jinxed idol +4 lightning bolt
Yeah, that combo would be neat, also Reassembling is an excellent card, since it provides yet another creature to sac every turn.
PERCY!!!! if you can afford him :) also i have play tested gull-draz assasin and found him to be extremely good in my black/red sac deck as a mid-game mana-dump; your deck seems built more around speed though so he might not be as good in yours lavaclaw reaches are also a good mid/late game mana-dump
Nah, can't afford him :( Yeah I don't think Guul-draz would make it.. Lavaclaw Reaches will be added when I can afford 3-4 ^^
Furnace Celebration.
Good card, hadn't considered that, thanks.
Bazaar trader sadly really wouldn't work in this way. It says "Target player gains control of target artifact, creature, or land you control." Note the part that says :YOU CONTROL"
It also says this at http://magiccards.info/ : You may target yourself with Bazaar Trader's ability. Normally, this won't have any visible effect. However, the ability would override an effect with a limited duration that gave you control of a permanent. For example, if you temporarily gained control of a creature with Act of Treason, targeting yourself and that creature with Bazaar Trader's ability would then cause you to gain control of the creature indefinitely." so yeah, it does work.
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has anyone thought of grave pact????????
Isn't that a bit too intensive mana cost? And I'd like to keep it Standard, but I'm relative new to Magic, I thought standard where from Zen-present?
endemic plague.... nothing more to add
But then it wouldn't be Standard ;)
Spash white for Bryon Stoutarm? Nothing like a Lifelink flinger.
wow very nice combo
I would remove the bloodthrone vampires, as chances are you have something else you can sacrifice the creatures you get from your opponent. You don't get much advantage from sacrificing with bloodthrone vampires as you would normally do it after the attack phase, since you want to attack with the creature you have borrowed, and then why sacrifice with bloodthrone vampire since it is just an until end of turn effect and can't attack anymore.
I see you. So what do you suggest instead then?
I always have liked red black decks but this one takes the cake. well done. If any1 would care to check out my l8est casual deck it is appreciated. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=168960
Thanks man! I really appreciate it! :D I'll check your deck :)
A friend of mine did a similar thing with his vampire deck. Have you considered Viscera Seer as a way to sac creatures and scry through your deck? What my friend did was to put Blade of the Bloodchief on a Pawn of Ulamog. Captured my creature, sacked it for +2/+2 counters on Pawn, spawned Eldrazi and sacked them to scry through for his next Mark of Mutiny.
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I have a vampire deck that does that! To be honest I would never play it without the Viscera Seer. He is the glue that holds the whole deck together. I also play as the guy stated above, Blade of the Bloodchief, Pawn of Ulamog, Bloodghast and fetchlands. It is really aggressive and it has been known to steal creatures attck for a bunch of damage and fling a 50+/50+ creature (thanks to the blade and lots of spawn tokens) at another opponent to take 2 people out in multiplayer in 1 turn. You should really check it out. It might give you some ideas. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=118959 Please comment or follow me if you like it. (I'm trying to add exciting new decks each week now) I love Mortician Bettle and it was nearly going to be in my deck as well except I included the Blade of the Bloodchief and Kalastria Highborn and the beettle not being a vampire meant I had to pass on him. Glad to see somebody is putting him to good use.
Yes I do know about Viscera Seer, but I really don't think he cuts the mustard, but that's just my opinion. I do have to thank you though for letting me know of Blade of the Bloodchief! Didn't know of that card! It goes into the main deck. Please follow me for further discussion on other decks :) I'll post interesting decks every week and gjhorton I like your vampire deck, It looks cool!
dont know if this has been said but mimic vats=godly in that deck (throw in a wurmcoil engine so that when you fling it, its spawned creatures stay on the battlefield, its funny) but anywho please check out my new deck, i need help/suggestions!~ http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=169280
Well, I had in mind adding 2 mimic Vat, but I think it's not worth it if I have one Grave Titan.
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Very nice! :D
Hi dude, well done with the build, I love the combos here, the only thing I'd really say is that you should definitely be keeping bloodthrone vampire in here, bloodthrone + blade of the bloodchief makes for a massive fling very quickly. I'd also add 4 bloodghasts and fetch lands for extra sacrificial fodder. I've been playing a similar deck for a while now, and I think I've got it as polished as my skill at deck building will allow. Check it out for ideas: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=152106
Indeed, it would be a massive fling, but it's only until end of turn effect so it isn't very reliable :( I don't like fetch lands, and bloodghast is way too expensive.. I like yer deck, and if you'd like to please follow me as I creates interesting decks every week.
Why didn't I think of Tuktuk The Explorer before?
I agree with having viscera seers. Besides their scrying ability they are great for when you have a furnace celebration but no way to take their creatures. You can scry with them and still pay 2 to deal 2 damage. Also, have you thought about flesh allergies? Those are great.
First of all, I don't play furnace celebration, I havn't updated the deck yet though, I've never lost without them anyway. Scry is nice but I think it's a bit excessive, besides I don't know what to remove them for, do you? I will get the update pretty soon. Flesh allergies seems a bit too expensive for what it does in my opinion.
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