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melira, sylvok outcast + glen elendra archmage = infinite non creature counterlockExperiment Kraj + Gyre Sage + Gilder Bairn = infinite G & infinite +1/+1 counters. Zameck Guildmage + Woodfall Primus + sac outlet. Infinite Woodfall Primus triggers. Novijen, heart of progress + glen elendra archmage/Primus (counterwall/constant removal). Melira, Sylvok Outcast + Woodfall Primus + sac outlet = Destroy everyone else's non-creature permanents.
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IMO you need to pick a direction, either small evasive stuff with Edric to draw cards, or counter shenanigans with Vorel. Splitting between the two will cause some frustrating games.
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your deck description combo isnt worth a damn sadly. putting a +1 counter on the archmage wont get rid of the -1 counter on it, so persist will only work once. you need something that straight-up removes the counter for it to work like you are wanting it too
-1/-1 counters and +1/+1 counters wash each other out:"121.2. If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it as a state-based action, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it. See rule 704. "That said, I think the deck needs to pick a focus or it's going to spend too many games with Edric out and no creatures that make it easy to draw cards, or counter guys in play with nothing to do interesting with them.
wait, seriously? i now need to make a deck that exploits this. im feeling some mikaeus the unhallowed action with some persist...in all seriousness, i wish i knew that. i really need to thoroughly read the rules again...
It isn't the kind of thing that comes up a lot . . . but it's going to come up a lot more now with Marchesa the Black Rose now a thing.
first thought when i saw Marchesa was "Holy Sh!t Undying!!"
before now glen elandra was the major exploit but yea marchesa make thing interesting
I'm converting one of my old 60 decks into this edh and ill be updating more as it evolves as a deck but any and all suggestions are welcome
Lurking Predators would be great with that many creatures. In a 4-player game even if everyone just casts one spell per turn it's going to get you 1-2 creatures for free every round absolute worst case.
essentially can also give a free scry to... I like it
also what do you guys think the best way of getting multiple uses a turn out of cytoplast manipulator is?
Love Vorel as Commander, gonna build my own, hydras are broken in this btw. so are doubling season and primal vigor. Also try Vigor its just key maybe fungal behemoth?