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As is obvious to anyone who's been on the site for some time, MTGVault has been on a decline for a while now. They days of Northernwarlord or Dedwards getting a casual 1k views, 15 likes and 30 comments is over, and current numbers have been decreasing. Decks in hot stay there for weeks on end because no decks of significance show up soon enough. I think the reason for less decks, less active members and less support is because of itself. Negativity breeds negativity. If you see a deck that you like or is interesting, give it a like. It doesn't hurt you. If you see a positive comment or a good suggestion, upvote it. There's no reason not to. Even if someone has a question that needs answering, go ahead and give them an upvote. I haven't been the most supportive of others beyond my friend group in the past but I am going to try and change that. Nobody wants to be active on a website where you get ignored, so lets not be that website. Even if 10 people see this article and make a change, that makes the site a better place, and more people will change with it. Just as negativity breeds negativity, it goes both ways. Positivity breeds positivity, and creating a little more can make a lot more in the future. Lets be better. If you have anything to add, please add it in the comments below.
Sorry for the sermon, but I really like this site and I want to see it's future be bright.
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This was a good read and I even got something out of it, I never knew truce was a card so it is going in my hug deck. that you for this gem.
Im glad I could help your hug deck. I'll check it out.
Same here, this is exactly the card missing for the deck I'm building with a friend.Wholeheartedly agree on your message as well, I'll try to give more love myself.
I like the idea of a hug deck. I'm going to make one. Thanks for the idea!
I've been intrigued by unusual decks like that in the past, I might try and make one myself.
This all hits home a lot for me. I haven't been around as long as you, but I can tell that things have declined since I first joined. I'll try to be more positive in the future, for the sake of the site.
Agreed! Really like this site ive tried mtggoldfish/ tappedout but i always seem to come back here for my deck building id hate for this place to go completly dead
Yeah, I've tried those too. Never could get into them the same way.
I really don't use the site as much anymore and after some thought I think its for the reasons you stated. I don't post decks very often anymore and only really comment on my friends decks, so I don't know what its like to post a deck and be ignored, but I can imagine. I guess I've seen it happen and I don't want it to happen to me so I stay away from the community. I'll try and be more supportive.
no doubt!I've just found out about this site and it's very useful! Having a active community would be nice
On behalf of the vault, welcome.
Welcome to the vault, I'll check out some of your decks, maybe give some advice if I think I can help.
Haha, every comment on here is upvoted so much.
I think part of it all may be that the next generation of magic-players see the internet more as a ressource than a network.Why engage people when you can just use their tech?As a result most of us just write stuff and don't expect people to care. I keep a real heavy track on decks in the meta that interrests me at any period of time, so I can often see that a few top players actually read what I write, but they never engage to ask for details. Perhaps because I write too detailed ???I have also been a "memeticist" for quite a while, hanging out on imgflip, creating memes.The same "upvotes are scarce culture" is present there, but because people there take a pride in being at the top, the big players tend to be socialisers engaging newbies with the clear intent of getting upvotes.One pattern that evolves is that those who reponds with upvotes can be found by timing your writing and their reponse, so you find out who upvotes you, and you stay engaged with them. Anyone not upvoting you, you leave to fend for themselves.it soon becomes a sort of alliances-game where you work to upvote whatever those in your fanbase makes, while keeping a sharp eye out for those not upvoting your stuff.Since upvotes in here are dying, it means we've lost the social network, and need to reestablish it by finding out just who is our loyal fans...
just got this crazy idea on how to at least create a lot of small sub-communities in here.https://www.mtgvault.com/wickeddarkman/decks/use-1-tag-to-show-nationality/By first bonding nationally we gain one strong (although divided) world, then we can start engaging each other :DBut to get a strong community we have to start small, because other cultures are simply as alien as can be.Just think on how alien I am, and I just represent a small part of what is internationally known as DK (Denmark).
I noticed without some catchy name or an astablished community no1 bothers to look at your deck, and why should they stroll through a bunch of home brews?!If you want your deck to be raided, you need to comment other decks and hope they return the favor.Also tagging your decks and wringing a description helps a lot...As I really want to push modern elements (cause I'm loving this new synergy based and not lord based play style) I need to find some interesting decks to commend... oh and also find the time to do so..
So true, this is a really good point.
The main reason I don't comment, upvote or like a deck/ comment most of the time is a missing description. Like Germynator already pointed out it helps a lot if you write a deck description/ how to play section. In my opinion this is simply because it shows that you've sunken some time and work into the deck and not simply copy&pasted it from somewhere, even if you just want to showcase your deck. An honestly...why should I put time and effort into a deck and help to improve it, or at least make some suggestions that I think could be useful, when the owner doesn't even have the time to write up some basic words about his deck, the idea, and so on.
Yeah, I agree... It's hard to want to help someone out when they aren't helping themselves.
In my opinion, the problem isn't people not liking and commenting, it's that more people are leaving the site than there are people joining. The problem is more sites have came out that's similar to this one and has divided our numbers. The owner of the site needs to advertise the site, get a for MTGTubers to plug the site. A lot of the old users have stopped playing and the site doesn't get spread around by word of mouth as much anymore. We NEED new users.
That is exactly right in my opinion.I even started a threat in the forum section on how to improve this site so make it grow bigger.Like make it more modern looking, make it have features like sharing decklists, sorting your deck collection, or even make it possible to filter EDH/Modern/Standard on the front page. What about importing/exporting decks from Arena? - Things like that could make the vault a better tool and would bring more users for sure.They told me that they are currently focusing on making the site more mobile friendly... i think that was one or two years ago.Also not all people really want comments or unasked help on their decks, they just accidentally happen to be on the front page by creating a new deck.Why is there no section like "Help Me" where people can specifically ask for assistance with deck building?After one day your new deck gets lost in the deeps of the vault and will never be found again.Regarding Northernwarlord and others, I have to say I am glad that they have stopped spamming the vault with budget decks. I never understood what this is about. For a more competitive oriented player there is not much to gain here. High quality lists are hard to find, and often outdated. Many users have hundreds of decks that never get updated. Its very rare that there are real discussions about card choices.So i mostly use this site just for deck storage nowadays.Although i sometimes try to give positive feedback on other decks if i find a deck that is interesting to me, or i have any experience with.
I agree with most of what you said, however, I highly enjoy the budget deck techs since I consider myself a casual player for as long as I've been playing the game (10+ years).
I agree with both of you. First off whoever's in charge of this site obviously isn't/can't do enough to advertise the site. I also mostly use it for deck storage now, and I keep most of updated "high quality" decks unlisted. But, I also love the whole casual thing going on here, and I like to mess around in weird ways with decks.
I've been there since the days of old and I believe the "main page" changing from hot to new&active was a change for the worse as well, either way grade read fam. I'm not as active as I used to on here besides brewing private decks. But I do not like the community slaking off aswell.
I feel like things started to go off a little bit around then too. Not really sure how to feel about the new vault but can't say I dislike it.
MTGVault has always been my first choice for deck building. The only thing I can think with the loss of users is other sites. MTGGoldfish and MTGDeckbuilders have become very popular with players in my playgroup. I even transferred most of my deck in MTGVault to MTGGoldfish for my playgroup to view. That being said, I think MTGVault needs to have a facelift, with detailed price charts, detailed card choices, (Foil Prices, Holiday, Judge, and others), and possibly a whole new look.I know I am at fault as well, every weekend I would add at least 10 comments and likes to decks. It has been over 6 months adding any comment. I have been busy with work, family life, and a person gets a little burned out once leaving a comment. Without no comments or responses. Being a part of MTGVault since 2009 the suggestion I could give is if someone leaves a comment response. Also, If someone leaves a comment on one of your decks such as a suggestion, bring up there profile look at there decks and choose one or two you think you would enjoy playing. Then, leave a comment as to what you would add, take out or even change. Give them other ideas, addition combos, protecting the deck, or what you like about the deck and so on.
Yeah, that's a great point about profiles, about the facelift thing, don't really know if the vault will listen.
Clockwork, you have a point. I have been on this site for a while now and I agree that the website needs to add another feature or something to really get players involved. I do also agree with what everyone else is saying about the declining amount of users. Although this is a long term problem that the website owners need to solve, we as users can make the best using what we have (See the last paragraph). In my experience with MTGVault I have found that players tend to view the critiques of others as a negative. It is important for people to remember that in most cases this is just friendly suggestions and that no one will make you alter your prized design (on the reverse side, keep the comments friendly and well-intended). Additionally, I can't say that over the years this site has always been full of life. Outside of select, well established, deck builders few people commented on decks outside of the occasional rarity. For most of my time here, it has been just posting decks for the amusement or benefit of the other users. I have come to learn not to rely on this site for answers to my questions and instead learned to seek them out on my own. This does not have to be the case. If we can get everyone to work together, this website can be a great deck building tool. That being said, descriptions are important no only for other people to understand you decks, but also for you to understand what you were thinking 5+ years ago when you designed that Storm Crow tribal. I like many others am guilty of the lack of descriptions. I have begun to slowly add descriptions for my decks, but like many of the veteran users I have a long list ahead of me. Overall, my advice to users would be to fully fill out all the information possible when building your deck. Properly cite original deck designs that gave you inspiration, so that their deck gets some attention as well. Comment and/or like these inspirational decks yourself. Like the decks that inspire you or those whose design you can't help but appreciate. Finally, always upvote those trying to help you. Even if you don't take their advice they took time out of their day to try and improve your design, it's the least you can do for them. Also engage with those that leave a remark about your decks, it makes people feel be better about commenting.
My biggest issue with vault is unless decks are below 50 dollars, it's just complaints about the price of the deck. It's either a budget deck or an article deck, otherwise you're not going to get the likes/comments or what have you. So yes, I do use this as simply a resource to tweak decks and theory craft edh/standard decks. There just isn't any incentive for someone like me to participate in this community, and every time I've tried just ends up with people whining about the price of the deck, even though 90% of it is the mana bases. Honesty, edh is the most casual of formats that have ever existed, unless you're going to sanctioned events with prize support, nobody should care about less than 10 proxies in an edh deck. Especially among friends. My playgroup proxies the duals that we don't have all the time, because none of us are going to buy duals for commander.And I do like and comment on decks that catch my eye, there just aren't that many.
Yeah, because it's online it's easy to not think of the card prices, but honestly, I never really plan on buying any of these decks, so the price doesn't matter to me either.
I mean, complaining about the what amounts to the entry cost of Modern and Legacy is fine and completely justified; But complaining about a casual format that is usually played at home amongst friends, where no one is going to care if you have a few proxies, is asinine.
Yeah I resonate with a lot of what people are saying regarding this post. In terms of adding a description/how to play guide to one's deck, I honestly don't think it makes that much of a difference in terms of comments or likes. Of all the decks I've made public on this site, some had no description while others had an essay practically and the essay decks some of them got no likes and no comments. One observation I have noticed is that infinite combo decks or combo decks in general tend to have way more views or activity than other archetypes. I can understand everyone is looking for the best new card synergies and crazy "oops I win" kind of cards, but just because a deck doesn't go infinite or have some insane mechanic doesn't make it a bad or uninteresting deck. I also think the attention span of society in general has gone way down, so people don't have the patience to filter through dozens of posts and comment on them all. But yeah I think having a somewhat catchy title will help a lot with getting noticed. I need to work on that. A title such as "Omnath Landfall" doesn't exactly jump off the page. Those are my main thoughts on this subject. Anyway, I don't really care anymore who or if anyone comments or likes my decks. I mainly just use this site for play-testing purposes and deck ideas.
Yep, people can complain all the want about this or that but in reality they're just too lazy to be friendly and like a deck or help a builder out. This website is dying simply because no one wants to participate anymore.
Is there a budget version of this deck?
yes im replying to myself lol.. I actually left this website about 4 years ago. i thought for sure that it would be long dead by now. I was so frustrated with the site that i myself became quite toxic towards the "popular" decks, which mainly consisted of super budget 1 trick pony combo decks. It was impossible to get feedback on anything that didnt fall into that category. Even now just looking around, its full of EDH lists with 100 cards and no descriptions on anything. But anyways, im back again i guess and il do what i can to try and boost other decks i find interesting without being a toxic bastard in the process. Nice post @Tylowrath
I try to make mine funny or at least have a description of why I chose the cards I did. :)
How come this went up on the 8th and I am only seeing it now? xD
Who knows how the vault does it? I might do some research into the site and talk about that on another article deck.
Ok, another question, how have you managed to rouse people like this? My comment is as boring as communist architecture and yet I got 4 upvotes somehow.
Me, QuackQuackMeow and WiseOctopus are all Tylowrath's friends and we all like and comment on each other's decks when we remember. We all agreed to like every comment on here. All the other likes on others are just happy people.
I'll admit I'm guilty of not getting comments or votes and then not wanting to post as much. It's a little disheartening to see some of my decks viewed hundreds if not thousands of times and not be worth a click on a like button. Sometimes I work pretty hard on making the description funny or go into excessive detail on choices I have made when I update my decks. Sometimes I don't bother because I doubt anyone is reading. I mostly use this site to keep track of changes to my decks for my own use because I hate the format of other similar sites. Which is a shame, because the first modern deck I fell in love with (turbo fog) I found on here. I know we have had this discussion before and I don't want to see the site fail either, so I'll redouble my efforts. :)