8-rack updated

Its sloghtly evolved over the years, packrat/swarmyard/mutavault can act as extra copies of bridge.
If you're playing on doing that i would almost just remove the racks and god blie black mill with some minor discard to have a better control match up.

I am working on a version of a rack deck on here. Thinking that the deck itself could run with Eldrazi aggro. Cause if you making them discard everything they won't stand a chance. And since you have play the rack for awhile. "assuming you play the rack awhile" will you look over my version. Trying to make it something I can afford but still be completive.

Im always iffy about hybrid decks but yeah i can look it over in a few hours just heading to work.
Eldrazi are just so strong on their own.

I only see artifact eldrazi and reanimator eldrazi? Is the list hidden?

Yeah they are really strong. Just thinking if there not in there hand they can't play them.. LOL

Oh sorry I am still putting it together. That is my standard deck.

Kk just post when its done and ill check in on my breaks.

This is were it is at now

http://www.mtgvault.com/gbgriffinwr/decks/the-rack-not/

Huh? I still dont see it, check to see if its set as "hidden" or "private"

Kk will check it out

Even with the link its not letting me look, make sure to set it as "unlisted" or "public".

I made it public so hope you can see it now

I agree about Liliana but I find the ensnaring bridge to be the more important of the to cause it can stop almost any creature. By just throwing in my two cent. Viagrasurusrex know the deck better then me

I agree with you, ensaring bridge is more important, i think necrogen mists can replace liliana though.

If you're not using bridge you have to change the deck around a bunch to make it work and it just slows it down a bit too much.
if you have a combo heavy meta or like weaker creature strategies you could easily cut bridge.

as you said necrogen mists is the budget option of lilly.
The amount of times you win a game from a turn 3 lilly is just insane.

As for the cards you stated I will give my 2 cents for each:

Augur of skulls-
Basically one of the strengths of the deck is running VERY little creatures(at least in this build)
This makes a lot of your opponents cards worse.
Sometimes they basically have a mull to 5 or 6 because the removal is useless.
playing more creatures opens you up to making those cards less dead, giving them actual targets.

if an opponent say has 2 removal spells, 3 relevant spells and 2 lands in the opening hand, this makes it much easier to choose the cards for them to discard.
and the fact augur needs 4 mana to use in one turn or two turns to activate if you don't have the mana really slows the deck down, basically making it a 4 drop where as you see i literally play zero 4 drops.

I know i went on this big talk about playing less creatures and i have pack rats main deck.
I play them for a different reason.
They are very resilient to removal, even more so with a swarm yard in play.
They attack under bridge because you can pump them post attack with mutavaults and activating the ability.
Also sometimes you just die to creature decks if they blow your bridge up.
having the option to amass a huge army of rats is a good back up plan and something to do between lilly activations.

Waste Not-
I feel waste not has to be in a completely different deck(one with dark deal etc)
I tested it for months before and after it was released, it just didn't fit well, most of the time it just did next to nothing, and it takes up the pack rat/bitter blossom/nyx/whatever you play in this slot.
when it worked it worked great, but the more people played against it the more they learnt to never discard lands to it...
so sure if you catch someone who doesn't know the card its a blow out, but honestly it was underwhelming most of the time.
I feel it would be cool in a B/R shell with pox, dark deal and burning inquiry.
Over all it just didn't help us win any of our bad matches.

Small pox-
I love the card and use it when i can, just depending on the meta it's a hit or miss.
I have literally 0 boggles players in my meta, and I have enough removal to deal with infect, and affinity so I just kinda slowly drifted away form it.
It's not a bad card I just personally don't play it.
You may also want to increase the land count by one if you do play it as 22 lands is low with pox.

Quest for the Nihil Stone-
I just personally find its much easier to keep people at 1-2 cards than it is to keep them at 0-2.
I find the 8 rack effects i have to be more consistent.
some people prefer nihil, I just choose shrieking over it.

Thankyou, for commenting on each card, Really helps. 22 land low, really? there is nothing over 3 mana.

You discard a lot of them to ravens crime haha.
Honestly 90% of the time i dont go over 3 lands in play unless i dont have a ravens crime.
Anything after 3 lands is generally discarded.

Why not splash life from the loam?

Because that's a completely different deck.
Loam pox is a very fun deck but vastly different than 8-rack.

That being said you can splash colours in 8-rack
Blue gives you on colour spellskite, academy ruins, sideboard cards etc.
Green gives you abrupt decay and sideboard hate (good hate vs affinity)
White gives you pathto exile and amazing sideboard options.
Red gives you bolt, pyroclasm, rakdos charm, kul command.

I like red the best because bolt gives you a ton of reach.
Half the time its the only red card in your main deck.

White is the second best option i would say.
Just because cards like stony silence, leyline, rip etc.

http://www.mtgvault.com/iskavan/decks/pharaoh-of-lands/ thats my loam deck, to me 8 rack seems more consistent, but i have not played 8 rack.

Ill check it out when i get home in a few hours.
A bit hard to copy links on this old phone lol.

Loam and rack generally have different decks theyre good against.

Hey, i mixed my mill deck with 8rack, kinda sorta. http://www.mtgvault.com/iskavan/decks/underworld-undoing/ instead of damage when low hand, its damage every time you draw a card, combined with discard, and exiling all the good cards, fill hand repeat.

its a cool concept i hope it works out for you.
this is my take on gifts, still testing the mana base so i left it out.
http://www.mtgvault.com/viagrasaurusrex/decks/1216543/

Like kavan said thanks for the info on each card. And after reading your input on waste not. I seconded guessing my Rack Not deck.

it just felt "win more" to me, like if you are winning with it, chances are you would have been winning without it.
it's a cool card and it does a ton of work in my neka wheels commander deck, but I just haven't been able to make it worthwhile

Blackmail is fine, i just prefer funeral charm as it has more modes.
Both of them can hit lands etc.
Blackmail is a great card, im not a huge fan of wrench mind atm (though i still want a couple) a lot of people do play blackmail and i have nothing bad to say about it.

The reason i play charm is because out worst match ups are affinity and infect.

Both of which have many 1 toughness creatures.

I'm going to be playing this deck on a 3k on the 21st, i hope it goes well.
Havent had the liberty of faces some of the new decks yet.

Let me know how that goes!

I think this is the list i will bring just updated.

Sideboard to hate affinity and infect.
Extrations come in vs combo as our removal is useless.
Leyline for burn, 8-rack, jund, etc.
Tendrils for abzan company, affinity etc.
Cut is an open slot atm, thinking more burn hate.

Also still debating on 4x rat vs 3x bridge.

I think 4x rat 3x bridge is right.

Really stuck on that last sideboard slot (cut)
There isn't really any boggles (skite works fine here and bridge/lilly)
A few tron which isn't the best but i think I'm built as good as i can be for it.(r/g tron is okay, gofts tron is hard, blue tron is easy)
Maybe 1x graf diggers cage for kiki cord/gy decks?

Or 1x chalice of the void or engineered explosives for affinity?

chalice is great for living end, and 0 drops. Graf is great for reanimate and anything that lives off the graveyard, but remember that shuts down your ravens crime. 4 rat and 3 bridge if against control, 3 rat and 4 bridge if against creatures.

I would also use blackmail instead of wrench mind, just seems more versatile, you get to choose.

two cards is a huge deal.
i was thinking of running a 1x tasigur's cruelty but not sure how reliable it will be.

I feel the trade off for cage is worth it, but may just do chalice for affinity and living end(i don't think we have any living end)

If there wasn't so much infect and affinity in my meta, i would use blackmail more. lol.

not all creature decks are bad vs bridge, fish and affinity are fairly good at attacking through it, same with infect.