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Mono-black aggro that works through sacrificing. Freaky fast. Uses one of my all-time favorite cards, Bloodghast. Basically becomes a one-sided fight when Grave Pact is on the field. Verdant Catacombs are for multiple Bloodghast recursions per turn as well as effective deck thinning (and they look cool).
This deck is also (as of 11/11/10) a deck challenge submission.
***This is also THE most liked deck on the Vault.***
***Thanks to everyone who made this possible =]***
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Needs some more land, and perhaps some deeper voodoo.
I suggest throwing in a playset Reassembling Skeletons, and a Viscera Seer for stability, and another threat other than Grave Pact. Extractor Demon, Abyssal Persecutor, and Demigod of Revenge are some good back up plans.
Strange you would say that, because I've tested this deck with changes including all of those cards, and none of them worked well enough to push out the other cards in here. Abyssal was the hardest choice. He is truly a beast, but his downside (which obviously can be dealt with by sacrificing him) was often difficult to deal with even with how this deck works. I also tried using more lands, but actually found myself having more lands than what I wanted, so I tried 18 and it just clicked. Viscera Seer is one I may consider working in, since like you said, it adds a nice stability when I need it.
That's actually really funny, I tried to use some of these creatures in my previous sacrifice build, and it would not fire off. It seems that the whole thing for either style to work.
Glad Bloodghast works for somebody in mono-black, I have to use W/B otherwise he just failed me to often.
Bloodghast is easily in my top 5 favorite cards ever, and yeah...he's insane in this deck. Sacrificing multiples of them and then playing a land is just nuts, and often game-ending when they have their haste. You are correct that he doesn't work in every environment, but if you're looking to make him into a prize-fighter, then try out this deck.
Thanks to a dude called Skyrim, I swapped in a playset of Verdant Catacombs. Tip-O'-the-Hat to ya man.
Go you indeed man. Your little trick has helped me make this deck all the better.
Can you explain why Verdant Catacombs is in the deck? It's all black anyway...why not just add 4 basic swamps?
When you add in fetchlands such as Verdant Catacombs, they help accelerate the deck by "thinning". When you play the Verdant Catacombs, you can pay 1 life (no big deal at all) and sacrifice it to search for a swamp and put into play UNtapped. This means you increase the probability of drawing the cards you want while still getting out the lands you want. So, even with mono-colored decks, fetchlands can boost the speed of a deck substantially.
Additionally, Bloodghast has that awesome landfall ability, and with the fetchlands I can abuse that ability even more.
I totally understand the fetchlands, I use others like terramorphic expanse all the time in multi color decks, never thought of using them in a mono-color deck though. Makes sense, especially if you play the land one turn and just pop it when your bloodghast hits the graveyard.
Thanks for giving me another way of looking at the fetchlands :)
If you didn't have verdant catacombs then how would you adjust the deck to acclimate for the loss?? (Cause let me tell you they are not cheap). :P
Woohoo! Back on the "upcoming" list
Woohoo! Love deck challenges!
Try replacing some of the Demonic Appetite cards with some Oni Possession. It costs a little more, but gives the creature trample. For a land fix, try Mox Jet if you can get your hands on it.
Eh, Oni Possession, while having some of the coolest art ever, is just grossly over-costed in my opinion. I appreciate the suggestion all the same though.
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why is everybody deleting their comments?
I got on because I was bored, lo and behold! A sac deck finally front page!
You have hit the coolpoint jackpot, I have been trying to see this happen for a loooooong time.
Haha thanks WnB (can I call you that?) I appreciate it.
What's sad is that my death fling deck smokes this deck and this sac deck made front ha wish I could play u
Jayson, this you?
Deathgreeter. 'Nuff said.
Used to have Deathgreeter in it before Scars came out. Then I got a hold of Fume Spitter and I decided to exchange some life gaining for another sacrificer that also gives me more control. I still really appreciate your suggestion dude. I'm a fan =}
Oh okay, that sounds good. Deathgreeter was one of the first Cards I ever played in Magic and I just think it's a really underrated Card that people miss out on a lot. But seeing as how you already tested it, that sounds just fine.
Yeah I agree that it's an underrated card. Now if Deathgreeter was one of the first cards for you, how long have you been playing? It sounds like not too long?
Actually I said it wrong. I started around Time Spiral, what I meant to say was he was one of the Cards in the first Deck I ever made. The Deck sucked, but it brings back good old memories whenever I see a Card from it, in this case it's Deathgreeter (or at least it reminded me of Deathgreeter).
Also, if you are asking "Aaboy66, if you started Deck-Building when Shards of Alara came out, what the hell where you doing when you first started?" Well, I was a poor. I had no money and no allowance or anything and the only time I ever got some money was to buy school lunch. So back then all me and my friends did was just hang out at a Comic Shop and play with Pre-Constructed Decks and tried to make the most of it. Really, it was a deppressing part of my life and the only reason I ever started Magic was to cheer myself up and just forget 'bout the world, yanno? Anyways, I came a long way didn't I? xD
Yeah you sure as hell did. =]
deathrender would be a nice card for this deck. a bit expensive for 4 though. nice deck.
Thanks. And yeah, this deck has only enough room for two 4 mana "bombs". And unless wizards prints something BETTER than grave pact...nothing else really cuts it. I wish there was a less expensive version of Deathrender though...It would be kinda cool.
I just want to write and say wow again because I want to save this deck in my account. I'm still aweing over your "Ill Tap That Deck", and it is your best so far IMO, but this one is a beauty too. I think you just became my favorite inspiration. Gonna make me poor though!
Wow thank you very much for the compliment. I hope my decks don't run you too deep =]
(Though this one isn't so bad by comparison)
how do you not have buried alive in here? it goes perfectly with your deck. play buried alive, put out a land, boom, three bloodghasts.
Hehe...Slipped my mind to be honest. I'd probably put them sideboard, and swap them out depending on some factors. Good call.
Wow alright I did a bit of testing and that is some good unadulterated fun. I appreciate the suggestion man.
no problem =D
Pawn of Ulamog my good sir
My playgroup still plays with manaburn (as I think everyone should...but I digress), so I've always been a little reluctant to try him out. But that was before I put Grave Pact into this deck (long time ago). I'll swap him in for the other 2 Cadaver Imps and see how he plays.
It only makes mana if you sac them for mana, otherwise it's just another corpse. That dude makes reassembling amazing!
Yeah after putting him in, I can say that even with mana burn, he makes this deck so much faster and aggressive. More importantly, when I sac my Bloodghasts, who can't block, I get the spawns who CAN block! Huzzah!
reassembling skeleton, gives yet another recursive target for sacrifices. Maybe not better than Bloodghast, but certainly great alongside it!
Yeah that's the thing. This deck has some pretty goofy math behind it. Because of that I am very restricted to how I can change it. So, while I agree that Reassembling Skeleton is really cool, it will never find a place in this deck.
Maybe in the future I'll make a deck that uses it...
Like this deck, haven't been able to pick up enough bloodghast's yet to use em myself but ya gotta love that card. never did like using Vampire Lacerators(Pulse Tracker always hits for one even if it is weaker and you can sac it after you attack and still get that one point of damage) but i can understand using em if your gonna kill em anyway. If as you said your restricted in how you may change it you might not be able to add in Perilous Myr (for another 2 dam when you kill it) or Moriok Replica.
Yep, they just don't fit haha. I do have a deck that uses Perilous Myr though, since the little bomb-on-legs amuses me to no end.
Oh, and I use Lacerator instead of Pulse because of Goblin Guide. =]
You need more land. If you try the "Draw Sample Hand", I got max like 2 swamps for first 7 cards and the next swap was like 3 cards away. Even though your cards are mainly 1 cost, if you only have 2 mana on the field, you can't do much. I think that the absolute min. number of lands in any deck should be 20.
Otherwise, your deck is amazing =D
He does have 4 rituals tho
the only thing I can think of to make this better is finding a way to draw cards. the deck works nicely and is pretty fast. i would consider adding a couple carnage altars or something like that to help
Maybe BListerbub? For multiplayers and the likes
I think that with some tweaking to the deck you could probably have a lot of fun with necrotic ooze
@Redrum and Cragos. As I've said before, the math in this deck's build is really strict. I just can't put those cards in. If there was a black one-drop creature that said: "Sacrifice a creature, draw a card", I would probably work it in (It'd most likely replace Death Cultist). Now that said, I DO have a means of drawing cards if I am having trouble. The lovely spell "Unearth" also cycles =] And it's perfect for the math of this deck. It's not a one drop or a two drop, it's a 1.5 drop! It counts as 2 of both. Thus, 27 one drops, 9 two drops, and 18 lands (it's more complicated than that, but this is a pretty nifty example).
@ Anizer: While I understand your concern about the amount of lands, I promise you in real play, it's not a problem at all. I also think that the computerized randomizing process for the sample hand is a tad flawed...It's "too" random. Now, if you want to try an experiment, take 30 sample hands and play them out in your mind up to turn 5. Additionally, whenever you see a Grave Pact, instead pretend it is a Swamp. Now repeat this process, but as the deck is now...
I really do understand your concern, and I appreciate it too. Yet, while I'd normally agree that most decks (of 60) need 20 lands, this one truly does not.
God every time someone praises this crap deck I want to shoot myself. So what do u do when someone memorcides ur grave pacts or simply cancels them looks like ur pretty well done in. If u truly want to make this deck u need to splash it with green and meet ur new best friend vengivine. Throw in a little ramp like those little birds and of course memnotic slime for multiple sac cause its just crazy how that would be with grave pact. Just think one card and u sac 7 creatures with it grave pact would kick ass with it. Anyways good luck and u need green in here
Dude get over yourself. I don't really see why you have such a grudge, but it's just making you look like an ass. Your view is quite narrow if you think that a deck using memoricide on my grave pacts would make me lose, that's just blatantly wrong and asinine. Perhaps your decks would be more popular and get more suggestions for improvement if you promoted your decks in a more civil way that insulting those of others.
Now I'm not going to delete this like some might. I find your little tantrums endlessly humorous, and I'm sure many other builders do too.
Trust me, other people do! :D
My side board already takes care of your deck by the way, but just because I can, I'm also tossing in Cabal Therapy (naming Fling obviously). It's really that easy.
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i like this deck mainly because its quick !, mono colour decks are always fastest, well most of the time there certainly easy playing, and secondly because you use demonic appitite that i love but always found increadibley difficult to maintain, but a few goes on something he has done his job. there is another vampire that admitidly costs 2 mana and i know you have said that the maths in here is quiet strict so its just an idea but its the one thats a 2/1 i think but unblockable or has fear as long as your opponent has 10 or less life would be killer with all your boost cards ! - i'll gop find the name,
also im unsure why you have the unearths you only play 2 buried alives and you only run weenies in your deck so i cant see x 4 unearths helps surley your better off just card drawing whats left in your deck i note you mentioned you could cycle for card draw and i guess your mortican beetle are pretty killer in here is it just for this touch of cycling/card draw and to regrow the beetles ?, just feels like you would be more effective adding some card draw from your deck or even carrying just a couple of big baddies(say x 2 abyssal persecutors) i know its not that kind of deck but 6 cards (x4 unearths and x2 buried alive) to fetch little un's from your graveyard seems a lot, but then your the one with 210 likes including one from me good deck man ! well done
.Guul Draz Vampire is the card hes a 1/1 sorry but gets +2+1 if they have less than 10 life also hes only 1 to cast a better choice than the lacerater for me. :-) or another option. cheers.
Hehe thanks Fluff. I'll try to explain all of your questions as best I can. For one, Buried Alive is waaaaaaay more powerful than you'd think. I've actually used it to smack someone for 13 on turn 2 (and then win handsomely on turn 3). I mostly use them to dump a bunch of Bloodghasts into the graveyard, but I've used it for other creatures too. As for Unearth, it's also an insanely useful card. I can use it to cheaply pop any of my creatures back to the battlefield or I can use it to draw if I need to. I've driven people to scooping because of the shenanigans I've had with Unearth =P. Lastly, Guul Draz Vampire. While I love this lethal and seductive vampire chick, and use her with GREAT results, there's a distinct reason that I use the Lacerators over some of the other cool one-drops hangin' around: Goblin Guide. Lacerators can kill-trade a Guide where as the other options can't. Trust me, kill-trading a Goblin Guide ruins a RDW player's day. =]
ok so long as youve done the maths and your happy with it, i guess there odd touch's that do speed the deck up somewhat, cast ing 3 mana costs for one and adding a touch of card draw, and yes i can see if all three are in your garveyard then one land would enable all three to attack add your add ons and pump cards and thats a lotta damage - this is were your coming from i think, hmmm yes very nice,
soooOooO pleased to be on your thank you list means a lot good buddie
Oh, by the way Fluff, you're on the list of my "Thank you" deck =]
I'm not throwing tantrums. I just want to face u to no end I like the deck but hate it all at once. I really like challanges and I see u as a threat so I want to play u just to see who is the better deck builder. It really is a nice deck but I got to talk shit only cause I have a very similar deck. I still u should abuse green in it I bet u would like it and maybe be surprised at the outcome.
Eh, I probably won't use green in this deck, as I think it would slow it down in the long run. I may build a different deck later on that uses some tricks with green.
I like being thought of as a threat =]
I don't know what format you're running, but
maybe try Priest of Gix, he works as a dark ritual with the unearth :)
Also you might benefit from a necropotence, to refill you hand with awesomeness. It seems like you can afford paying some life for cards.
I would say add Demon of Deathgate for better late game.
Gix is too expensive to be universally useful. I see what you're trying to do, and it's a cool idea, but he's too costly to use just for that trick.
And as for Demon of Death's Gate...well I wish I could find a place for him, but honestly he SERIOUSLY messes up the whole math of this deck's mana curve. It's like taking a plus sign out of an equation! I don't know why it does...it's just one of those really screwed up things haha.
That said, I should make a deck for him...
Well, make one for him that is not like my Psychotic deck. That deck hurts >_>
check with mine , so u can tune up better
Man, I haven't made a change to this deck in a long time. I decided to put my Lacerators into the sideboard for if I play against Goblin Guides. Otherwise, the Guul Draz Vampires are an overall sexier choice (and not just the art) =P
I would reccomend a delraichi mean chances are your not going to hard cast it but when you get three black creatures out it will be urly in the game and they can return to play plus the extra abilities.
I'd love to, but just like DoDG, for whatever reason adding "Free for sacrificing three black creatures" big guys absolutely FUBAR's the deck's math. I have no idea why it does this, but those guys seriously make the math of this deck cry.
I realy like this deck! I don't have anything to say agenst this one..
Check out my deck.. Swamp Vampire rush..,
Pretty good actually. Only thing I'd change is to replace the Child of Night(s) with Bloodghasts.
Blood pet. Eternally awesome.
Also sadistic glee
why is there only 2 grave pacts?
Short answer, only need 2. =]
The long answer goes into how it works with the math behind this deck and...I don't want to go into that.
im rly not an expert at so im sorry if im wrong, but it seems like grave pact is the only threat in this deck
Not at all. This deck can very quickly murder another deck without Grave Pact. It's just that when Grave Pact is out on the field they're just that much more screwed. =]
it seems like it needs removal
Nah. Fume spitter helps with that a bit, but overall I've never had the need for Doom-blade levels of removal. =]
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im a fan of all your decks; i made a deck like this one and it rly owns! can you comment on my U/R deck plz?
Haha, I'm glad to help and I'm glad you like it. =]
Ok I'm not gonna read all 109 comments, so this may have already been said. But have you considered a reassembling skeleton? That with Grave Pact and Bloodthrone Vampire is scary, scary, scary shizz man. (Ex.) I'll sac my skelly for bloodthrone, you sac a creature, my vampire gets +2/+2 and I have enough mana to do this 4 more times X.X even without Grave Pact it's scary, I fought against it.
Nevermind, scratch my comment. I saw 4 other Reassembling Skeleton references lol. That's what I get for trying to help haha ^_^
Hahaha no problem dude. I think I posted an explanation of why I use Bloodghast instead of the Skelly...
Hey, you ever thought of using Scavenger Drake, it might be better than Mortician Beetle with flying and a counter not just creatures you sacrifice?
Scavenger Drake costs too much for just flying I think. Also, I was telling someone else this...Mortician Beetle is often on the field for a frickin' half second before someone blasts him away. Its major use isn't as a powerhouse, but as the *threat* of a powerhouse, which makes the opponent waste a removal spell. =]
Yeah, I agree, they are actually costly when I run it in my black deck. Also, why not use Disentomb? It's only 1 to cast and with no mana cost limit for the creaure you wanna return?
Unearth is a better version of that card in EVERY single way with this deck =]
I love reading your deck design ideas. It's helped me tune my two in-rotation decks so far, especially showing me how awesome Bloodghasts are in sac decks.
Thanks, I'm always glad to help =]
im amazed how verdant catacumbs can change the performance of the deck. someone already told you about Sadistic Glee , what do you think about that?
im starting to build my own decks and this deck really blow my mind, how does the math work here?
also why demonic appetite ?
i love you your decks man!
Wow! looks awesome! Just one question… why is there a dragon's claw in your sideboard? Mind looking at my sac deck… I'm trying to get advice on it. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=132603
Dragon's Claw is for RDW. They run out of power and cards before they can kill you if you gain just a bit of life every time they cast a red spell.
oh wow, thank you!
WHERE IS DEMON OF DEATH GATE?
What about putting in a couple of avatar of woe out quick with so many creatures in graves ???
I only own one of them sadly. Also, just like Demon of Death's Gate and other things, those big "cheat in" cards just royally **** up the math of this deck. I still don't get why, but they do. =/
This is brutal
I recently bought the cards to make this deck and it is VERY good! its loads of fun and i love the combos in it. Great job sure! If you could take a look at my green/black and my mono blue deck and give me some suggestions i would really appreciate it. I really need help with them.
Glad you enjoy it man. It's a real compliment when people decide to use one of the decks I've made, so thank you. =]
I'll see what help I can offer =]
That would be awesome if you could help! here are the links! I'm really looking forward to your suggestions!
would tainted aether work well in this deck, I was just thinking if bloodghast was in your graveyard and tainted aether was out play a land n then sac the bloodghast so then your opponent also has to sac at least 1. Also it would make mortician beetle get bigger quicker.
Also think of all the spawns you would get.
Strangely enough, Tainted Æther is...too much sacrificing. I know! Sounds absurd, but it's true!
Yeah just put this deck together n playtested it with the aether's n yeah it then does create to much sacrificing. I didnt think it would be possible for a sacrifice deck to have too much but it just made it to difficult to play.
i think i'm going to make this deck:) lol
hahaha, thanks dude. You won't be disappointed =]
that is precisely the reason for making it! but on second thought im going to show it to my friend who loves decks like these! lol if he has any suggestions for changes i'll let you know:p he's been playing for 20 years lol
anyway! will you give my newest deck a peek and leave a comment! i looking for a fun deck idea to play with! thanks:)
also do you think you could check out my black sacrifice deck and tell me what you think? and hopefully give me some good pointers :) i dont want mine to be exactly like yours though lol but i know that it will be similar:p
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Culling the Weak? This deck isn't hurting for mana, but it could turn a turn 2 Death Cultist or Fume Spitter into a Buried Alive for Three Bloodghasts, then Landfall them in.
It's a good idea, but I've found it to be a catch 22. While sacrificing is never a worry for me, the need to have a creature to sacrifice means I have to wait before I can use it. It's speed at the cost of speed...
this looks like fun!!!! your such a genus.
I love this deck it was like one i had but mine was older. Can you check out my deck it is the one that evolved from my sac deck and i love opinions on it. Thanks and again i love this deck.
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Would attrition and raggamuffyn work well in this deck was just thinking of raggamuffyn as card draw would be good and thin the deck out quicker
I tried both of them and muffyn was just too slow for me. The constant recursive abilities of this deck give me more than enough card advantage and if I MUST draw cards, I can use the amazing card Unearth.
As for Attrition, when you look at it, it's a worse version of Grave Pact that in the long run, costs more. Plus, Grave Pact make them sacrifice the creatures. Sure, I can't target them, but sacrificing is so hard to avoid and it powers up my creatures. =]
Wow! This deck is strong!!!
Thanks, glad you like it. =]
Have you tried Fleshbag Marauder in this deck? Seems like an ok card to use
Hi, I really like your deck. I have a standard B/R sac dec that I've been tearing up with recently, but would love your feedback on it. Also, with your reference of 'maths' in the deck, could you comment on the maths of mine. I think I understand what your referring to and have built with it in mind, but could do with some specific tips. Thanks in advance. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=152106
I apologize for asking like everyone else has but would you mind telling me what you think of my Devour EDH deck with kresh as my gen. I wanted to get a non-biased opinon, but i have yet to get any one my decks, this is the link to it. If you dont have the time, thanks anyway. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=159923
So couple questions, first why do you keep Demonic Appetite in this deck, when you could have Blade of the bloodchief?
Is the 2 mana cost to get it out and onto a creature that bad? (It may really be, I just don't know.)
I didn't know this deck existed when I built this deck, but I was curious if you could give me a critique. Its basically a standard Black and Green Sacrifice deck. Red is splashed in for control, and it was my answer for early blightsteel. Anyways here it is
I love this deck. It's always cool to beat down opponents in different ways.
Could someone check out my decks???
you're an idiot
Do you think that Grave Pact would work pretty solidly in my sacrifice deck?
I know this may seem like attention whoring but I am legitimately curious and would love your input.
Great deck by the way man.
Annnnnddddd congrats on most liked deck :D
I made another version of this deck I will give you guys the link, because right now, it's not exactly as popular as your version (as in: 0 comments and 0 likes!!)!!
Deck link: http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=169197
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500 like party
Just happened to stumble across this, and I think it is way too cool. Good job, and congrats on the 505
I have been using this website for deck building ideas for a few weeks now but I had to register so I could post this haha. I have looked at a few of your decks in the past and they are all pretty awesome. They also seem to be over 60 cards for the most part. I have always been told that there is a big difference between a 60 and a 70 card deck, and that the 60 card decks are usually better. I was wondering why you make decks that are usually larger than they have to be. I am sure you have a reason, I'm just curious as to what that reason is :). Would it be a bad idea to reduce the size of the deck but keep most of your card ratios the same? I was also wondering about "the decks math". what exactly do you mean by this? could you please explain in more detail? As i said before I am a big fan of your decks and I trust you have your reasons, I just need them dumbed down a little :)
I think you might be confusing the deck size at the top which includes the actual deck and the sideboard. Most of my decks are actually 60, but also include sideboards.
The math of this deck, to put it as simply as I can, is an exploitation of what's called a "Probability curve". This is a graphical curve of the constantly changing probabilities of cards of specific mana and function being available at any given time. As a rule of thumb, the more you can match the probability curve to the mana curve of your deck, the faster and smoother it will play.
This deck's mana curve and probability curve are almost identical they're so close...and that's why it's so consistently fast. It's mathematically tuned to always have the best threat every turn.
Ah I see now. I was just looking at the total shown at the top, didn't realize that included the sideboard haha. Thank you for explaining the math/probability curve, do you possibly have a link that would teach me how to match the mana curve to the probability curve of my own decks?
I don't, sorry dude. While I understand most of it, I had a lot of help from my math nerd buddies. =/
have the best Idea for back-up game ender: SUTURED GHOUL!!!!! mehhehheh...
Maybe add some Viscera Seers possibly? Scry is pretty crucial.
Oops I see it in your sideboard my bad haha. This deck is cool as shit
Hehe, thank you. =]
This deck is quite beastly, i'd hate to play it. Well done sir =) although i'm not sure why you don't have Kokusho in a sacrificial deck. Care to have a look at my sacrificial/combo deck to see what i mean? =)
Cool deck, would living death work in it? In combo with tormod's crypt it's just unfair for your opponent. Also something like blood pet or festering goblin is better more quickly than guul draz. I have a black removal deck with a similar idea, but older and much different deck list, I'd appreciate it if you'd take a look and give me some feedback.
L-L-L-Ludicrous Kill!!!...... M-M-M-Monster Kill!!!...... Holy ****!!!
Hahaha, that's what I can hear in the background when I picture playing this deck, nice!
Hm. I think if I were to make this deck I would try the Kalastria as well. I am sure it would be difficult to play around with this math, but it's not a bad idea. Kalastria Highborn = Math. I absolutely loved her in my Vamp deck.
is this deck expensive to built?
Not terribly. It'll cost you a bit, but it won't give you a heart attack =]
im thinking in building this deck but withiout bloodghast what would be a good replacment for it
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Ha, I've never looked at this deck or commented on it. Only thing I'd do different is run 4 entombs over the swipes and 4 Animate Dead's over the Unearth's and instead of Mortician Beetle I'd run It That Betray's, Turn 1 you could potentially use dark ritual into entomb, put It that betray's into graveyard and grab it with Animate dead...
ive not read all the comments so you have already heard but i think geth's verdict would work dude
isn't member database the most liked deck?
Technically yes, but as far as playable "deck" decks go, this is the highest =]
just a thought.. what if you ran some marsh flats as well? for instance, run 3 verdant and 2 or even 3 marshes? If it is even possible to say, it could speed up one of the fastest decks I have ever seen from a sacrificial standpoint.
This deck is soooooooooo evil! =) +1
This is a really clever deck! If you get a chance could you give me some advice on my decks.
Can you double up the sacrifices? If you sacrifice a creature for one monsters affect, does it proc any other sacrifice based effects?
You can't sac the same creature to two different outlets, but if something says "whenever a creature is sacrificed" or "whenever a creature dies", then any sac outlet will trigger those yes.
So say I have two Bloodthrone Vampires out, a Pawn of Ulamog, a Grave Pact, a Mortician Beetle, and a Bloodghast. I can sacrifice the Bloodghast to one of the Bloodthrones, but not to both. When I do, I will get an Eldrazi spawn from Pawn, Grave pact makes the opponent sac something, and thus Mortician Beetle gets two +1/+1 counters =D
Well thats just.......boss. Very nice indeed man. The more time I spend on this deck the more intrigued I am at the just the vast amount of potential combos and synergies. A lot of the clever ones are from you as well, so thanks a lot man! Your in the credits in my Golem Tribal deck =)
Hey surewhynot, I've been eyeballing your deck something fierce and was wondering what additions you would make to this with the new Dark Ascension cards out.
That's actually a good question. There are a few cards from that set that I might try to use in this, most notably that new zombie that you can play from the graveyard. I look forward to seeing how they work =]
That's what I was thinking. Undying might play well with this too, essentially giving you a chance to double-sacrifice some creatures.
I also think it would be super cool if you had time to write one or more of the following:
1. A short strategy guide. Maybe something about some common combos and ways you have won.
2. When to use the different cards in the sideboard.
3. What draws to mulligan
I suppose I might do something like that =P
You did remind me though, I really need to update the sideboard =P
Phyrexian Tower ?
Ever think about putting in Blade of the Bloodchief? I run a sac deck with Vampire Nighthawk and Bloodthrone and with all the sac those 2 get big QUICK. Just a though, lost cost high impact. But clearly you know what your doing!
I know u said there isn't any deck room left, and the deck is prolly too fast to need it but 2 death denied would be nice once u are top decking.
would this deck actually be legacy tournament worthy or FNM legacy worthy?
I answered this on my other deck, but I'll just re-paste it here =]
"To be perfectly honest with you man, I'm unsure. I haven't used that deck in ages, and with Legacy's constantly changing meta, it's kind of a crap-shoot =/
It's always a fast deck, albeit technically illegal with Skullclamp (a quick swap-out is easy though), but I wouldn't feel comfortable telling you one way or another."
So there ya go =]
Lifeline, Blade of the Bloodchief, Black Market, Falkenrath Noble, Mikeaus, the Unhallowed, and Lightning Coils are some suggestions, but this deck is amazing with or without them.
Hey Guys, im just wondering what FNM is like? Cos i've never been but always wanted to see what its like lol
Here's a link to a deck with this question as my main part? if anyone could give me any info on FNM i'd be really grateful =]
Have you considered Festering Goblin?
Eh, not really. His uses are limited compared to Fume Spitter. Thanks for commenting =]
I really like this deck. I think blood artist would be quite a nice fit, if you ever plan on updating it.
My list of the worst cards ever printed hit 575 likes. When I saw this was the most liked, I almost decided to start blatantly advertising the list until it hit over 701.
But then I decided the deck to achieve such a feat should actually deserve it.
By the way, could anyone check out both of these decks, and comment on which one is better?
+1 from me. Can you check out these two decks and give me your thoughts?
Do you mind if I ask when this was last updated? I'm just getting into magic and really want to build this deck, I just wanna make sure it's still the best black sac deck around :)
I go through all of my decks every time new cards are released and update them if the need arises. Soooo, this is pretty damn up-to-date. Just remember that Skullclamp is technically banned, so if your playgroup doesn't want it in, swap out for Unearth or something =]
Awesome, thanks! I playtested it, and the only issue I ran into was having a dark ritual in my hand late game and nothing to spend it on.
Also, what's the counter if you bury your Bloodghasts and someone pops a Tormod's Crypt? Is it just a scramble from then on?
The deck isn't completely dependent on 2/1 creatures. He just kills them in other ways like Mortician Beetle or Bloodthrone Vampire.
Also, didn't this used to have Blood Artists? If so, why did you take them out?
Took them out to try different angles with things, probably going to put them back in...they were nuts =]
great deck lot of likes\comments
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this is a cool deck but i don't understand how it has 700+ likes. there's nothing original, or broken going on here. whats so exceptional? It doesn't even seem all that powerful, and the sideboard isnt finished. outside of casual this deck doesnt seem to great. but then again your playing skullclamp so you cant play it outside of casual... so now im really confused. a casual black deck, that is good, but not that great, lacks any originality, doesnt do anything broken or crazy has more likes than any other deck on the vault? even if 90% of the people on the vault are casual players and kids new to magic, i just can see how this garnered so much attention.
Honestly I don't know why it has so many either. It's a fast deck, sure, but it's not amazing like you said, and it certainly isn't my best deck. It just kind of happened to be honest =/
yeah dont get me wrong, this deck definitely isnt bad, but you have some really cool decks like i like way more than this. haha ^_^
Nice check out my standard deckhttp://www.mtgvault.com/anbu187/decks/azorius-flash/
200th like ^^
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if the opponent drops 'rest in peace', that's pretty much game over for this deck. And 'rest in peace' is pretty popular in sideboards nowadays....
this deck was built in 2010..
I still have yet to see someone use Rest in peace on me =/
Or a graffigger's cage? it prevents creatures from entering the battlefield from the graveyard or the library. also, I see that this is a fast deck, but how fast is it? what is the usual game ending turn? 3-4, or higher than that? just curious. :) this looks like a really fun deck either way. :)on a side note I would really like some feedback on a couple of decks that I am building:a mostly black lockdown deckhttp://mtgvault.com/kazzong/decks/leeched-lockdown/and a sac/persist deck.http://mtgvault.com/kazzong/decks/spike-of-doom/
Truth be told, I haven't played with this deck in months, but I think it wins around turn 4 typically, and can win turn 3 on occasion. I have been hit with Grafdigger's and it suuuuuuuuucks, but typically I know who/what I'm playing against before I whip this out =]
Interesting. So fast compared to most standard decks. I can build fun decks, but nothing close to eternal formats level of speed. I wish I knew how... :(
@kazzong- just keep playing and you'll keep getting better.>:Div been playing since 3rd grade, and im 24 now.. so.. its been a whiiiiiiiiii i i i i i i i iiii le alsoi spend hours and hours reading articles about magic theory, deck building, the latest format meta shifts. man.. i have no life..
No. Magic IS life!!
Such is life................
Just to let you know that your deck rocks!! Been using something similar on OCTGN and its a real charm, it rolls nicely like a big boulder down a mountain!!! But I noticed this deck is a bit old... What would you change on it now?
It's old, but I've actually kept it up to date. Any time new cards are added, I make sure to see if any of them work better for this deck. Case in point, the two Blood Artists =]
I love how wicked fast this deck is.
Replace bloodthrone vamp with bloodflow?
Do you mean Bloodflow connessuer(sp)? The thing is, Bloodflow doesn't get as large of a boost from sacrificing, and also costs more to play. Yes, the fact she gets permanent buffs is nice, but the big sexy alpha swings I can get with bloodthrone are way better and faster. It's a good idea though, so thanks for the comment =]
Could it work to put a Liliana of the veil in? in most gravepower decks what has black it is handy to have a liliana. (at least what i think)afcourse you wil have to remove a card from your deck and that aint to easy, but i would go for one gravecrawler.why gravecrawler? becouse the thing with him is that you have four of them and if you want to mass sacrifice you need only one. you do not have to be afraid (only a bit) for removal becous you can cast him from the graveyard but four still is a bit much.irealy like this deck a real lot, i use gravepower my self and it aint costing to much. look at number two of the most liked deck. ($560)
You may use Quest for the Gravelord instead of... Virulent Swipe perhaps.
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will you PLEASE help me with a simic deck I'm building? it's called simic combine-ation
I love using Skullclamp as a draw card in these type of decks. I would just add one more and that is about it.
replace the verdant catacombs with evolving wilds/terramorphic expanse
Why would I do that? It slows down the deck
oh, sorry, I saw the lose one life, but forgot that it comes in tapped otherwise.
I really like this deck...!
I have to admit, this deck is extremely powerful! It could easily destroy almost every deck I've seen!This is really good!I could use some help with a deck of mine. Please feel free to offer opinions on it. I am getting the public to create their very own Super Hostile deck, and I need as many people as possible to help me out.Please feel free to tell other people and get them in on the deck. Here is the link, if you want to help. http://www.mtgvault.com/princecooshie101/decks/this-deck-needs-you-2/
Have you thought of zombie infestation to get zombies out quicker and graveyard cards into ur graveyard? (:and i mean to get zombies out for gravecrawler XD
I have. I love Zombie Infestation...it's an awesome card. Strange as it might sound, it was too much difcard for this deck. I can go more into detail about why that is, but I'm being lazy now =PI do love the card though, and I'm working on a list now to use it as an engine. It will be similar to my various B/G filth decks.
yeah, i have a deck almost identical to this but instead of virulous swip i play three infestations and instead of fume spitters i play 3 demonic persecuturs (:it destroys tournaments and tables XD
also culling the weak! :D
jinxed idol!!! :D
What about Undiscovered Paradise for Bloodghast? Then you can also throw in Naturalize in the SB to deal with gravehate?
You might be the first person to suggest U.P.I'm gonna have to see how it works in the deck. It's usually a land reserved for slower (controlly) uses of Bloodghast, but it might work nicely.
I know that I use U.P. in my sac deck; however, it is mainly based around Bloodghast. It works amazingly with Bloodghasts though, guaranteed sac and return every turn isn't something your opponent can just scoff off.
How about shrine of nyx? This deck horder reatures on the field pretty fast and a first turn ritual+buried alive into three bloodghasts, then play nyx second turn and then third turn you have a huge mana deposit.
Hello, I am building this deck. I have a few questions.1. When and in what circumstances do you side in the Unearths? What gets sided out for them?2. If I can't afford Bloodghast, would upping the existing creature count (Fume Spitter from 3 to 4, BloodArtist from 2-3, Pawn of Ulamog from 2-3 etc) be a suitable way to go?3. Similarly, what about Innocent Blood? Seems like a great trade-off. Combined with grave pact its 1 mana to make them sac two creatures, and to proc anything like mortician beetle/blood artist x 3!!!
in my opinion if you cant afford bloodghasts then proxy them because this deck needs them, and the best you could get for a replacement would be a playset of nether traitors (:
Agreed.As for the sideboard, it's mostly made up of stuff I've switched out over time, and screwed around with, so if I were you, I'd just experiment and see what you like. Same goes for Innocent Blood. See how it works and how you like it.=]
Thank-you. Another question: If I am not playing with verdant catacombs, due to budget reasons, can I run 18 swamps? Or should I run more? Or.... should I substitute something else?
if u cant afford the verdants then simply replace them with evolving wilds(:thats what i did with my sac deck that i made a few months ago and i recently found out is very close to this one XDi honestly think that verdants are dumb expensive, so i play evolving(:
and this is bothering me so much, why is there diregraf instead of carrion feeder!?! XD
Hmm. Well. Mortician Beetle seems to be strictly better than Carrion Feeder in this deck given that it already has so many sac outlets. Maybe the extra damage of Diregraf without the need to sac a creature is just straight up worth it on the crazy percentage scale surewhynot apparently has worked out?
I mean, bloodthrone, fume spitter, ulamog tokens, and demonic appetite should ensure that a lot of your creatures end up in the GY as is
Yup to all ^^^^^^^^^^ that
You can't say yes to a multiple response question! Haha. 18 Swamps? or 19-20 Swamps? Or 14 swamps and 4 Evolving wilds? Lol!
I'd prolly do 18 swamps, because evolving wilds will actually slow things down.
Cool! Thanks so much :)I'll let you know how I go with my budget modifications.
How well do you think Geralf's Messenger would do in here?
and PHYREXIAN OBLITERATOR :D
Hello! I really like this deck, and some time ago I decided to build it. I used to play with friends, but now I would like to play it on Modern, and there are some cards to be replaced. I am not a great MTG player, so I would appreciate some help! Here's what I think:- The 4x dark rituals (they are damn good) should be replaced with something to make the deck faster, and just adding 2 swamps doesn't seem to work too good, so I would like to know if there are any good cards to replace the dark rituals with.- The 2x buried alive (another fuckin' great card) should also be replaced with something to keep up the pace, and I just don't know which cards would be good replacements- Last but not least, the skullclamp (this one's great too, what a surprise). I was thinking about 2x Altar's Reap, or maybe 2x Sign in Blood, but they just don't work well enough, and I just can't add 1x, because they obviously don't work as well as the skullclamp.- I don't know if I can use the Cabal Therapy in modern. But, if I can't, I'll put some Duress and/or Dash Hopes in the sideboard, just to have a bit more control about things that aren't creatures.Another thing I was thinking is: have you tried to replace the 2x Grave Pacts with 2x Desecration Demon? It's a thing I would like to try. I know, they are very different cards, but a pair of Desecration, using the 3x Tragic Slips, would put the opponent in some serious danger. Anyway, I'm sure you already tried the demons!And one last thing: I saw one of your decks is called "Chiaroscuro", and I was thinking that maybe you're Italian. Am I wrong?
The sad fact is that switching this over to Modern hamstrings its speed in a pretty dramatic way. I hate to give you bad news, but I haven't the slightest idea what you could use to replace those cards =/As for the Demon, I actually haven't tried him out, and now I wonder how much fun he'd be to run in the list.The word Chiaroscuro is actually rooted in latin, but I'm sure the same word could exist in italian. I'm just fond of Latin, I'm actually mostly of Irish descent with a bit of German as well =]
Ok, thanks a lot. By the way I'm Italian, and the word Chiaroscuro, in italian, is the combination of two words (obviously, chiaro and scuro). Chiaro means clear, limpid, while scuro means dark. But I bet you already knew xD.Let me know about the Demon! I think I'll try it as soon as I get it!
Also, I was thinking about 3x Viscera Seer instead of 3x Fume Spitters, and maybe 2x Skirsdag High Priest instead of 2x Blood Artist, just to see how they work. What do you think?
It's always worth trying things out so yeah, go for it!I use Skirsdag in another deck and love it
Wight of Precint Six seems like a decent way to equip this for multiplayer. Right?
Thought I'd suggest a card for sideboard and maybe in even main board. Since your deck is built around sacrifice why not addDiabolic Intent Sorcery, 1B (2)As an additional cost to cast Diabolic Intent, sacrifice a creature.Search your library for a card and put that card into your hand. Then shuffle your library.Diabolic Intent could be handy to help you find just the right card to ruin your opponent.Sure Vampiric Tutor will do it quicker and Demonic Tutor you don't need to sacrifice but Demonic Intent just seems to fit the deck theme so nicely.
Though I generally stick to the main design, every once in a while I try out different "loadouts" just for fun. I've had this deck for so long it's just fun to experiment. That all said, I haven't yet tried out Diabolic Intent. I'll have to try it out =]
Okay, so, I really love this deck, it's so cool! I do have a few questions though, if I wanted to merge this with a discarding mechanic, do you think I could?Also, have you thought about using Crypt Ghast, Disciple of Bolas, Ashling the Extinguisher? :D (Personal favs)Thanks for your time! :DDDP.S. - I wonder if I could maybe add stuff like Mind Rot, or Pack Rat, or maybe even Eater of Hope? Also, I feel a little like there is more mana than needed when I play this deck sometimes?P.S.S. - I'm newb. xD
I haven't thought about using those, but that doesn't mean someone couldn't. As for a discard mechanic added to it...it would require a very specific set of cards but I suppose it could be done. It would change the deck quite a bit though...
I keep waiting, surwhynot, to be the person to give this deck it's 300th like. :) And i kept thinking this deck had the most views...but can you freaking believe it, Gary has a deck on here, that has over 1 million views! Sounds crazy to even think about. This is a lazy and dumb question, i could probably look at the date of the deck and look up the time that Clamp got banned/restricted; however, I will ask, Did you make this deck before Skullclamp was banned in Legacy?
Yeah it's like his system test deck or something right? I know one of Ian's "decks" had something like 2,000 comments on it. It's gone now I think, but it was also a system test deck to check if each member at the time could comment or not.Uhhh...I think I had some very early version of this deck back around that time yeah.
Yep, Gary's deck is from 2006. :) 1,900,000 + views. Close to 2 mil. If this deck gets 8 more votes, I will give it the final 9th vote needed to be at 300 likes :)
Hahaha thanks. That'd be pretty cool =]