Screw Bloodthrone and Carrion Feeder. Use Viscera Seer. A sac engine that gives you card advantage? Yes please! This is an interesting take on the Melira/Persist deck type, since you are using a lot of creatures and pumping them up... it kind of contradicts the purpose of the deck type though, in a way. It's honestly far easier to just combo out and kill someone in one turn. BUT. If you insist on going with the win-con of giving Bloodthrone trample, why don't you just use 4 Berserk and 4 Predator's Strikes and drop your Colossal Might count? Both of them are easier to cast and it doesn't matter that their power buff is less, because Bloodthrone is going to be infinitely powerful anyway... Check my old deck for some ideas if you'd like, it focuses completely on the combo aspect of Melira/Persist. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=191050
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Volcanic Fallout won't hurt your planeswalkers at all, but it will still hit you (player) for 2 damage. Also, if your opponent controls multiple planeswalkers, you can only hit either A) that player or B) ONE of his planeswalkers with the 2 damage. 212.9g If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead. This is a redirection effect (see rule 419.6c) and is subject to the normal rules for ordering replacement effects (see rule 419.9). The opponent chooses whether to redirect the damage as the redirection effect is applied. The important thing here is "a source controlled by an opponent". You can't redirect damage from yourself to your own planeswalker (e.g. Lightning Bolt, Consume Spirit, etc.) It amazes me how many people on this site don't actually look up rules before arguing with someone about how their deck doesn't work. Obviously you're on the internet, because MTGVault is a website, so it's extremely easy to do a web search and find the answer to a rules question. Or, just look at the damn rules. I drove one guy's Illusion deck up onto front page because he refused to understand the concept of how Illusion's are still sacrificed even if you prevent/counter/whatever the thing that was targeting it (e.g. someone Doom Blades your Phantasmal Bear, you Negate the Doom Blade, the Bear STILL dies). Just the other day someone commented on one of my artifact decks that War Report's health gain does not count doubly for artifact creatures. PLEASE JUST USE THE INTERNET! Anyways, this is a pretty cool deck. I would highly recommend sideboarding your Terrors though, in favor of Go for the Throats. Unless everyone you know runs regenerating creatures... This would open up your options to be able to handle other black decks. Definitely leave the Terrors in your sideboard though, I know how annoying Cudgel Trolls can be!
I think you mean Blood Moon, not Bad Moon. Bad Moon gives black creatures +1/+1. :D Blood Moon is a GREAT card. Sorry manlands!!
Yeah, Geistflame is just bad in general. Goblin Fireslinger is great because he stays on the battlefield, and the obvious upgrade to Geistflame is ....dun dun duuuuunnnnnn..................................... .................... FUCKING LIGHTNING BOLT. Geistflame, really?
Oh, it definitely does. My friend made me look it up even though I told him I was sure about it while I was making this deck, because he was so stressed and didn't want it to be true haha. If it didn't count twice it would most likely not even be in here. It's # of creatures + # of artifacts. I know my r00lz mang! :D
Thanks for the suggestion! Elixir is definitely a cool card, my buddy uses it to annoy me whenever I bust out mill haha. Delaying the inevitable! Really though, life is hardly ever an issue when I play with this. Wurmcoil usually handles any life gain, and most of the time it isn't even necessary. Elixir is a great card though, I just don't think it's really needed here. Also personally, I like to dig through my deck a lot - as opposed to refilling it - although a few decks I've made use Elixir. One in particular uses it to refill my deck which is basically used as ammunition for a one-shot kill. I'm actually pretty proud of this deck, it's really budget and has an extremely lethal combo; you (and everyone!) should check it out! http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=256519 Again, thanks for the comment man!
Thanks for the comment! Yeah, I'd rather have Living Death than Liliana's because I don't really care about her other abilities in this deck. Flash would definitely work really well with Kokusho too...so many different ways to go about using him! I was also considering using Iname, Death Aspect to dump all 4 Kokushos into the graveyard, then finish with Living Death. The issue with that is that the mana curve is backwards on the play, 6 then 5, as opposed to a Buried Alive (3) and an Entomb (1), then Living Death which would be 4 then 5, right on the curve. The problems with both of these scenarios is if I have a Kokusho (or multiple) in my hand. I need to figure out a way to discard into my graveyard, because Necropotence exiles discarded cards...but I digress. Again, thanks for the comment!
Thanks for the comment! Black has some amazing mana acceleration. Dark Ritual blew my mind when I first found out about it long ago, and I just stumbled upon Bubbling Muck not even a month ago. Combine them, and this deck plays out at blazing speed. I'm hooked on mono black right now!
I'm glad you like it so much! The scenario you just described feels SO good to play. This is easily one of my favorite decks to play with. It's not OP to the point where my friends wouldn't play against it (like some of my other decks), but it has hardly lost, ever. Even when Karn is resetting the game with half of their stuff under my control, my friends are still like "GOD that's cool."...right before they scoop lol It is definitely tempo, but I think it's very control-ish, at least as much as this type of deck can be... it has wipes, spot removal, and creature tapping. It honestly had a lot more straight control when I initially made it. I'm just going to call it a control-ish tempo deck haha.
Very nice! I hadn't considered Mishra's Factory before, but there seems to be no reason not to use them, especially since I can block with it and then use itself to pump it up to a 3/3 :) I think Mystifying Mazes are out... they have definitely helped me a handful of times, but the 4 cost is just too expensive, and man lands are just awesome in general (Celestial Colonnade has won me so many games I can't even count.) Thank you for the suggestion!
Thanks! I'll give yours a look in a bit for sure!
Thanks! I appreciate it :)
Your logic is sound. I wasn't even thinking about Surgical Extraction...that would definitely work to your advantage to just use Cancels. It would be great if you could mainboard Dissipates and sideboard Cancels, but you don't have any room in your sideboard, and your sideboard looks fine anyway. So yeah, in my opinion you have the right idea!
Wow good call on Tainted Aether, I haven't seen that card in a while! Perfect for a creature-less deck. And you are spot-on about Temporal Extortion, it's actually taken me face to face with defeat or sat dead more times than I'd care to think about, no one EVER pays the life for it haha. Thanks for the comment, it definitely helped out!
There you go. What I meant by Jace getting obliterated is not by combat damage, but by things like Beast Within and Oblivion Ring. Spellskites will definitely help prevent this from happening! You added Negates, but you took the wrong thing out! You accidentally took out Dissipates instead of Cancel lol This looks like a fun deck to play with best of luck to you!
hmmm... Cancel is crap. I would use Negate, or something. You have the "Fog" part on lock (combat damage), so red can burn you and black can steal your life. Negate says NO! I would also have another win-con other than Jace, he WILL get obliterated.
But Unwinding Clock and Voltaic Key synergy! I've definitely considered Energy Chambers though. I'm now considering using 2 of them and 2 Surge Nodes, or something. I must play test!!
I've changed the description a bit to better fit what I intended to say about this deck.
I think you guys are missing the point. You obviously only play Glacial Chasm to clinch the win, and unless you have no idea what you are doing whatsoever, you will not die from it. EVER. You can simply drop another one and blow up your original if the upkeep gets too crazy, but this shouldn't ever happen. And about the odds, including tutors, it's 10 cards. 4 Demonic Tutors, 4 Expedition Maps, and 2 Glacial Chasms. I rarely have to mulligan with this deck. The lack of Glacial Chasm in my opening hand has certainly NEVER (not once) made me take a mulligan; I don't even necessarily use Demonics/Expeditions Maps to grab Glacial Chasm, either - it's basically an extremely effective fail-safe. So in conclusion, first off you don't play a Glacial Chasm early enough to where your opponent can just sit back and let it kill you. Secondly, sitting back will mean DEATH unless they are running counters/Leyline of Sanctity. I considered Norn's, Crawl Space and the like, but it's just not happening with this deck. This is pure mono black. It honestly works out extremely well, and FAST considering the most powerful spells in it cost around 6 mana. Just play test it. If you can pilot it correctly (super-easy), then it is very potent. Thank you for the comments though! I do appreciate the feedback!
4 Vault of Whispers, definitely. Awesome deck man!
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