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Here is an illusion deck that has some equips. *Note* - The Stonehewer Giant and Quest for the Holy Relic do not target anything. They simply allow you to search your library for an equipment card, put it on the battlefield and attach it to a creature you control. Here are the official rulings: http://magiccards.info/query?q=Stonehewer+Giant+&v=card&s=cname http://magiccards.info/query?q=quest+for+the+holy+relic&v=card&s=cname Feedback is much appreciated! Thank you for looking!
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Don't know if you know this, but second you try equipping one of the Phantasmals, it'll die.
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Yeah sorry MatrixDJ but as DedWards said equipping a creature counts as targeting it so if you try to equip one of your phantasmal illusions you will have to sacrifice it. However swiftboots is a good way to keep Lord of the Unreal alive.
That's why he has Lord of the Unreal in here, gives the Phantasmals hexproof, then he can equip all day long.
No he still cant he is still targetting them....
@DedWards & @Mursh - I do not equip the equipment directly, the stonehewer giants ability allows you to attatch it to a creature you control thus not targeting an illusion and causing it to die. The quest for the holy relic works the same way. @BradleyJonMoss - Lord of the Unreal does give the Illusions hexproof but that only makes them so they CAN NOT be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control. Therefore, I could not just equip an equipment to an illusion.
The Stonehewer Giant still targets a creature because it says "a creature you control". You have to name the creature, hence it is now a target. BOOM illusion dies.
I thought the same thing at 1st but MatixDJ is correct. If it doesn't say target then it will not trigger effects that relate to targeting. You can actually use Stonehewer Giant to equip creatures with shroud also. Here is the official ruling on this card. http://magiccards.info/query?q=Stonehewer+Giant+&v=card&s=cname
theviv69, it's the same kind of thing as clones. Their text says "You may have __ enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield". That is not targetting, so you can have them enter as a copy of a Thrun, thus killing him. So when Stonehewer's ability "put's it into play attached (that is not equipping, which is the ability) to ANY creature you control", it's just attached and the creature isn't sacrificed. I need to grab a Stonehewer for my Isperia edh
I also don't like Elixir of Immortality, illusion decks are generally fast enough that you won't need to gain 5 life and shuffle your library and graveyard. Also, Try going for something like Argentum Armor, or a few of the swords instead of Swiftfoot Boots, with the Lord of the Unreal, your Phantasmals already have Hexproof, and you really don't need haste with this build. Just my 2 cents.
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@BradleyJonMoss - I like your feedback about the Elixir of Immortality. I do agree that the deck isn't a fast. I have the Swiftfoot Boots in the deck for the Lord of the Unreal to protect them because it is not a creature you attack with. The Whispersilk Cloaks are for the Phantasmal Dragons to make them unblockable. Maybe some equipment to give vigilence? What do you think?
You cannot put the cloak on your dragon. With the lord out they may have hexproof--can not be the target of a spell or ability your opponent controls-- but they still die to your own spells. When you cast wispersilk cloak, you have now made your dragon a target. Hence it dies.
See above comments about the Giant, theviv.
I don't really think Vigilance is needed, if you can get the quest first turn, then I think power is all you need with something like this. I still say argentum armor or a sword.
Ah, I see what you are planning now. I wasn't aware of this interaction. Very nice way to work around the illusions problem, bravo. Stifle will work also. Nice deck build, thanks for showing me something new.
Stilfe is pretty much the only thing that can stop the illusion effects.
I like it!!! I may throw that card in the deck!!
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If you want to equip any kind of illusion, equip Phantom Warrior. Only rules on this card is Phantom Warrior is unblockable. Bonus right? Also Phyrexian Metamorph works in an illusion deck. But equipment on M12 illusions doesn't work. If you use the Stonehewer, then they are the target of the Stonehewers ability. So they die. I love my illusion deck but i found i needed an alternate win condition like the Grand Architect/Wurmcoil Engine combo. Possible turn 3 wurm.
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As has already been explained before, Stonehewer's ability does NOT target the creature you're attaching to. You've gotta read all of the comments, man. I do agree about using Phantom Warriors - since being unblockable by default is awesome - but fuck Phyrexian Metamorph, when you can just use the cheaper and more fitting Phantasmal Image (which he has in here.) Honestly though, I would just drop the white, and the expensive 5 CMC Stonehewer, and the Quests, and the Whispersilks. This is a unique idea but you can run an Illusion tribal much more effectively without cluttering it up with all of that. Just put in Phantom Warriors and more counterspells (Counterspells, Mana Leaks), and I think you'll be running much more smoothly.
And when Phantasmal Image copies Lord of the Unreal, it's a lord with hexprrof built in.
First off my 2 posts were written one right after another and i was wrong about the stonehewer giant. Next, Phyrexian metamorph works here cause you want as many options when copying the lord not just four. 8 chances are better than 4. Not a fan of dealing damage to myself but for 2 damage and 3 mana, i found that i use that more than you would think. yes its 2 mana for the image but there have been more times than not that i didnt get it for awhile. You can say fuck Phyrexian metamorph, but its won more games than you think. Plus you will want more chances to copy things like grand architect and wurmcoil engines.
Oh and some card advantage, Brainstorms, Ponders, Ancestral Vision, etc
Lightning Greaves > Swiftfoot Boots in your case too, since you're not going to be targeting your own guys anyway. And I would take out the Elixirs as well. They hardly do anything here to help other than gain you 5 life, but if you had better cards in their place you wouldn't need life gain because you could have already won instead! I hope all of this helps, I really enjoy Illusion tribals!
So without a Giant or Quest, all of the equipment in this deck become useless, outside of equipping the Lord or Automaton...for me personally, it seems too risky. I'd at least add some some search to pull out the giant/quest to make this more reliable.
http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/feature/144 says right there that you CAN target illusions with your own spells, unless there has been rule changes? otherwise I like your twist to the illusions :)
You can target your own ILLUSIONS if they have Hexproof, but the Phantasms will be sacrificed right away.
A good card to use on your Phantasmal Dragon would be Fireshrieker, it gives it doublestrike and chances are you will have a buffer out like Lord of the Unreal so you will hit for 12 damage a turn which cant be a bad thing :), nice idea with the Stonehewer.
You can't target the Phantasms, or you have to sacrifice them.
Using Stonehewer Giant or Quest for the Holy Relic you can as you aren't actually targeting the creature using their effects.
I know, if you read my other posts, you'll see I was correcting people. I had just seen the Stonehewers and Relics when I posted this one though. I thought you meant you wanted him to actually equip the dragon.
Really nice idea for a deck, and thank you for not being That Guy Who Forgets That "Targeting" Includes "Equipping." You might want to try some equipment other than just the Whispersilk Cloak and the Swiftfoot Boots, something that actually makes your creatures stronger. The equipment doesn't even have to be the proper colors, since it'll be practically useless if you draw it anyway.
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I like how everyone keeps commenting on how you "can't" equip your phantasmals. I like your idea, really awesome, but risky, but cool idea bro.
I would attempt to put a little more land in(maybe in place of the elixirs). I drew some sample hands from this deck and didn't like the way it drew out. Maybe it is just random shenanigans from the RNG? If you had more draw(ponder, gitaxian probe, Tezzeret's gambit) then you could possibly run only 20 land. I mentioned Tezzeret's for the added proliferate. That would make the quest a little easier to pump up to 5 counters. Anywho, just some 2 cents.
Ok i see now that you cant target phantasms with spells that target it... what about auras though? it doesnt say enchant target creature, just enchant creature...
113.1b Aura spells are always targeted. These are the only permanent spells with targets. An Aura’s target is specified by its enchant keyword ability (see rule 702.5, “Enchant”). The target(s) are chosen as the spell is cast; see rule 601.2c. An Aura permanent doesn’t target anything; only the spell is targeted. (An activated or triggered ability of an Aura permanent can also be targeted.)
In the front page because a lot of people agree that equipment and illusions were not meant to be :P
yeah, just saying, as i'm sure you might have heard before, you can't equip the illusions... though i do like the whole whispersilk cloak thing. :) it's a very underrated card imo, though i haven't found out where exactly it's useful... xD haha
What I like is the fact that he is ATTACHING his creatures with Stonehewer and Holy Relics!!
badass idea man also the amont of people saying that you are just killing them is ridculus considering the top couple of comments explain how u can target but not really target them
Thank you all for the feedback and positive comments!!!
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if ur going to make the deck bad atleast use real equipments