vanguard487

Crucible of fire is good. But what do I take out? I have found that this dragon decks are very picky about what goes in them. Also, Thundermaw is not in here just because of cost, but I will throw him in. I will just copy the deck for myself, then pimp it out and make it competitive!

Cost, If you want, go ahead and put em in! If I was going to just play this on casual. But, yes, go right ahead!

Ya, Draco is a really good card if you don't care about legality. I like to have all my decks at least modern legal. Not sure what to take out to put in a cruciable of fire though. Tough decision.

http://www.mtgvault.com/vanguard487/decks/another-try-to-build-dragons/

You guys mind taking a look at the deck? It's not aristocrat, but I could sure use a second pair on eyes on it. Anything helps :)
Thanks

Well, I didn't expect that this deck would have gotten any attention at all. I didn't put in balefire dragon because it is an 8-drop, and I want the curve to end at 7, because of geosurge.
Thanks for the advice though :)

Unfortunately, yes, I know, I wish, but I know which is why the sideboard is going to have control hate, and lots of it.

Ah, one request, can you guys take a look at this deck and tell me what you think? It is a rising deck in modern meta-game and I want to get at it early. Any advice would be fantabulos!!

http://www.mtgvault.com/vanguard487/decks/through-the-breach/

I'm glad I made a positive impact here, and I bet you guys don't even realize i'm only 16 :)
I'm more then happy to help provide insight to anything you guys are working on in this format. I hope one day this format will become one of the most successful formats available. Again, I would really like to know if this is getting out to WoTC. I may email them myself and inform them if that has not been done already. The impact this has had on the vault is amazing, and I should hope that once popularized, it has the same impact on the Magic community.
-Chris (vanguard487)

It makes sence why they have a rarity beyond rare, but yes, they could have called it something different. It is because money. They print less mythical rares and they are supposed to be (according to wizards) the better cards in the set. Money.

Sadly, we have to debate the fact of rarity, and CLEARLY wizards don't know what they are doing. So I think because of this fact, if a card was re-printed as a mythic, then clearly wizards has seen their mistake, and re-printed it with the correct rarity. I would use skull clamp as an example, but it has not been reprinted, so let's use the ever so special Tarmogoyf as an example. It was printed in future sight as a rare. The price quickly shot up because it is probably the best 2-drop in the game. Wizards realized their mistake, and when they decided to re-print it in modern masters, they changed the rarity to the mythic rarity it should have been in the first place.
Because the latest version of the goyf was printed as a mythic, the card should be counted as a mythic because wizards has had time to re-consider.

Therefore i propose a rule:
The most recent rarity is what the card is counted as.

That should solve a lot of our problems. Hope it helps

I am in total agreement, and I do agree that there needs to be a ban-list for this format. Especially if DCI pickes it up. I feel that there are a lot of younger players out there who are in need of an affordable format, one that they can play. If they like playing MTG at Friday night magic, let em'. But they dont because of the expenses that it requires. Perfecting this format and advertising for it may expand the magic community, and that would be great to see.

So back to the ban list..... Lol..... I think a good place to start is with the modern ban list, and the vintage/legacy ban list. Put all of those cards on there, unless they are mythic of course. That should solve a lot of problems. Cards like ponder could probably come off the ban list, maybe, maybe preordain. With serym visions being expinsive, ponder might allow a more cost effective alternative for players to turn to. Definitly leave the artifact lands on the list. Affinity will come back again then, and probably dominate the format. Tarmogoyf might be a ban, one of, if not the best 2-drop ever, was printed in rare form, and decks, and matches could be swung because of it. Even in modern, if there is not an immediate awnser, you are prolly going to lose the game. But, since only 1 is allowed, i don't see it being too broken here, but keep it in mind, if we start seeing it all over, then you should re-consider.

Well, I'm done with my rambling, have a good day :)

Is DCI going to make this an actual format? Because is seems like it is gaining popularity fast....

So, banlist:
-Sol Ring
-Cloudpost (or restrict to 3 or 2 per deck)
-Artifact lands
-Tinker

Otherwise this is going to end up as a budget version of legacy.

Oh god... 12 post is legal in aristrocrat............. they are going to have to ban cards for this format if they want to keep it under control...
12 post is tron on steroids... it shits on tron, 3 cloudposts out and you have 9 mana... plus one vesura... and glimmerpost...

I thought about it, but given that the creature base in this deck is not huge, it may be a dead card in some games. Especially now that eye of Ugin cannot be in here, any kind of enchantments were hard to fit in. But yes, I did consider it.

Lol, thanks, after 3 years of building modern tron (http://www.mtgvault.com/vanguard487/decks/rg-urzatron-v4/) it wasn't hard to sub cards

Whoops, thought Magical Hacker was a sorcery, try Dimir Infiltrator as another transmuter, or Shred Memory!!

I see what you did there, try putting in Peer Through Depths and Lotus Bloom to make it more consistent. Halimar Depths is a good filter land, try it out!

Sure :) no prob

Thanks :P