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I'd drop the Planar Cleansings in favor of Austere command, and the Prison terms in favor of Path to Exile.

Running a kithkin deck without thoughtweft trio is sacrilege.

I feel like galepowder mage doesn't fit the deck beacuse you dont have any creatures that have "when this creature enters/leaves the battlefield.. etc etc".

You have 3~5 too many lands, and too many 4 drops. I'd get rid of the Door of Destiny(s), since you don't have alot of creatures. For a weenie deck, its weird that not even 1/4 of your cards are creatures.

Doesn't it? I didn't think $52 was worth making it standard since i don't go to tournaments anyway.

Idk. I haven't played since shadowmoor. I looked it up on starcitygames yesterday and it was 14. Ebay's lowest today is 4 for 52, or 13$ each.

If there was a point system, surewhynot would win :) What a guy!

I hated playing against faeries. He threw tops on top of that (pun? hehe o.O), counterbalance, Dash hopes and bloodghast? I wouldn't want to play this.... :(

I saw it, but i was gonna look into other enchantments you could use instead of the one that you had, because it looked like you had to have 2 wurmcoils in your graveyard for it to work?

I was thinking about Wurmcoil engine imprinted on a mimic vat (which would spawn a wurm every turn), you could then sacrifice that to pay the upkeep cost for Eldrazi monument, and then that poops out 2 wurm tokens, but your opponent could remove the mimic vat and then you have to start sacing all your tokens. But... you might have alot of tokens out and alot of life, and you could still win so its not too bad.

I was looking at the aforementioned combo but instead of Eldrazi monument, atrittion or mind slash, which could get nasty. Grave pact on top of that could work. Then a temple bell so you can draw cards and keep having your opponent discard.

I hope it works out. It's one of my favorite cards, worked out every time. :)

And is also 14$ a pop.

Yeah but once you hit turn 4ish and you can only draw 1 card a turn, drawing lands is pointless so you can use Endless Horizions to purge your deck of plains. In 2 turns youll get enough mana to cast Austere command, and after that if it gets destroyed it doesn't really matter. Youll be casting a creature nearly every turn. The deck doesn't work if you draw 4 lands in a row mid game.

I had that decklist posted, but deleted it because it didn't really work out. I'll post it again in a few. It was sorta discard, but i didn't want to focus completley on that... idk. Check it out when you have time.

Yeah, i saw that on the front page as one of the most used cards and i was thinking about putting it in. Harrow and cultivate never looked like good cards to me till i actually used them, so maybe the same could be said for Explore. I'll definatley try it out. Thanks for the suggestion. :)

Lightwielder Paladin should have a silimar effect.

I was trying to make a black controll deck a while ago with necroskitter in it, but quickly realized that in order for it to work the entire deck needs to be focused around it, which i think yours can acchieve. :) I'm happy you took my suggestion, and i hope that it works out.

You mentioned that your deck may take a while to build up. Black doesn't have many walls... and walls dont really work with Carnifex out anyway, so if you need something to stall i'd suggest getting some discard spells. Discard has got to be the MOST annoying thing to play against. You might not realize it when you're the one playing the discard spell, but as the other person you definatley feel it. Not sure theres much room for it, but its just a subtle suggestion :/

Idk if this works in the deck, but you could try mimic vat + Wurmcoil, and try to keep killing the wurmcoil that comes out to the tokens.

You should drop Iona down to 2 copies. Theres no point in having 4 seeing as she costs a rediculous amount of mana (and you dont have any mana acceleration) and shes also a legendary, so you can't have multiple copies out.

Swords to plowshares and Path to exile do the same thing, so i'd pick 1 over the other for the sake of lowering the total amount of cards in your deck.

I'd Probably drop door of destinies alltogether. Its not effective since you only have 8~10 angels in your deck. Light from within would probably do a better job.

I'd also drop latern kami. Its identical to suntail hawk.

That brings you down to 60 cards.

Wall of Omens!!!~!~~!~!@@@!~ Get 4

Yeah i understand completley. What i noticed is that when i dont have Khalni Heart expedition in my hand by turn 2, i usually have a Harrow or Cultivate and with Arbor elf/Llanowar elves i can play those on turn 2. With Joraga i cant. I think the early game for this deck matters more than mid-late game... so unfortunatley i dont think theres a place for Joraga. :(

Years have to pass before i can start getting those free drinks. T_T Save some Pinot Grig for me (fancy :3)

I'm planning on trading/selling some cards in so i can get this deck for free, so once i have the actual cards to start playtesting with i'll see if Brittle Effigy has a place. Garruk definatley helps alot since his overrun ability is more acsessable and his +1 ability allows me to play Oran-Reif with out any set backs. Llanowar Elves and Arbor elf are essentially the same thing, so i didn't mind adding the Llanowar elves (sorta like having 8x copies). I wish i could run a 52 card deck :(.

I did a playtest today and the deck did 680ish damage on turn 9. There were 3 Llanowar elves, Briarwolf, 13 wolf tokens, 3 Battlemage Ascensions and 2 overruns on the board. :) I could kill 34 people in multiplayer! :D

Ah, i didnt see that combo. That makes it worthwhile :) If i play it with garruk out, it doesn't matter if it comes in tapped. Awesome!

I really like the flavor of MotWH and his pictar looks cool but the dude taps all my wolves. :( Its a really cool card, but yeah too slow. And QFR is one of my favs!

I emailed this decklist to Jacob Van Lunen from WoTC for a Building on a Budget suggestion. Hopefully he'll look into it.

Yeah, i was thinking about lotus cobra but realized that its rediculously expensive. I saw Khalni Hydra and was actually considering it :) Its essentially free after the wolf token creatures go off, but... I dont need it. Trying to get these tokens decks as focused as possible.

Hmmm. Joraga treespeaker on turn 1, turn 2 level up, tap for GG could work. Its final level up isnt worth it because it already taps for GG, and the only other creature that benefits is Arbor elf that taps for essentially G. I would replace Arbor elf with it. Thanks for the suggestion. :)

Btw, I'm trying to keep this deck as far away from elves as i can because my GF plays a deathtouch elf deck.

I'd suggest 2x Sign in Blood.

Yay! its kithkin time. :3

Austere command is a good mass removal card with kithkin. For a win condition you could use Brave the Elements to give all your kithkin unblockable against a certain color.

Kinsbaile Bordergaurd never performed as well as i would hope. Thoughtweft trio is amazing, i'd suggest getting 4. Instead of Knight of the White orchid you could try Endless Horizons.