They are not a sac engine you don't sac them they get death tuch and at that point they are a wall that has regen and death touch. And quest for the grave lord is not just sack it says when a creature is put into a grave yard so ur creaturs lives thiers dies and now u have one more counter on the quest.
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Oh and Aaboy66 for got to add in my other 2 posts on here great deck seems really fun. I have alwasy liked rain bow decks so many options but so hard to play. I know u said no spells or anything but maybe think about Strengh of Unity, i think its Extended if not deff legacy. It would deff put some more nastyness onto anything.
To kaim arouet Hm i find it interesting that you would say that this website is "full of scrubs, bad players and people with no original ideas." if you feel so strongly about this then maybe you should use anouther site. Oh wait MTG vault is the top site on Google for MTG deck building and forums... SO go have fun on anouther site we wont miss u.
Agreed when ever i decide to put my decks together they are normaly atleast 150 and that is the good ones. Now if it is a casual deck then just normaly around 50. Thank god for play testing with proxies to see if i realy want to invest that kind of money into a deck.
Wow a two-headed giant with this deck and a discard deck that is just mean. No other way to discribe it plain mean. if it was me i would just say never mind i didnt want to play anyways. Great deck man.deff 10/10.
Which means it would still not work "you may return that creature card to play under your control at end of turn if Shirei, Shizo's Caretaker is still in play." once combat is over with the token no longer exiest so at the end of turn there is nothing to return.
Side board is max of 15 cards, unless u are using it as a space for maybe cards. but other than that looks good.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=75438 I know this is grixis but take a look just for some ideas.
I would use Hypnotic spector over liliana's spector and have you thought of slavering knols anouther good card for discard that no one really uses but is perfect for a R/B discard deck. ohter than that looks solid might want to think about lightning bolt though always a good staple, plus anouther good kill spell other than terminate.
Yeah deff agree that maybe 4 titans is alittle too much. As for the esper control deck if it were possible i dont think i would ever want to play anouther deck. I myself have run into the same problem just too many good cards that you want or need and it makes it imposble to build. But i think the problem lies with the fact that with an essper deck you would literaly be able to stop or counter anything that would be thrown at you and that just makes it to much of a jack of all trads. Which as we know is 1 impossible in MTG and 2 you simply dont have the room for it to be a competative build. Thanks for the 2 cents.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=49811 Now my deck is no longer T2 but it will help u get an idea of what you need to work on. I agree that there is not that much synergy and that is what you would be lacking.
Two words Fleshbag Murader, get it u need it badly for this deck. oh and check out my Zombie deck it is verry mean for how badly it controls the board with creature sacking. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=49811
Oh and deff drop the negate for the mana leak much better.
No training grounds, you have to have training grounds for a lvler deck speeds it up so much. I would take out the armored ascensions and narcolepsy for training grounds. i would also either take out the time of heroes or pacifisms and add in mana leaks and either safe passage or emerg unscathed. just my 2 cents looks good though.
Hm pretty good, there is something missing but not quite sure what it is i would have to play test it to see. but from the sound of your local card shop it is doing kind of good. If anything i would add a 1 drop like gul draz vampir or maybe a hex mage, just for the first sttrike and removing of counters.Hm not sure i would run the Phylactery lich just bc it is too conditional and not a guarantee that you will have one of your equips on the feild. But over all looks good and that it would play fairly smoothly, maybe a smoother for anouther kill card. just some thoughts.
Great deck, seems really "Dirty" in more ways than one. Pretty sure if i came accros this deck in a tourny i would just conced cuz this is that mean. The amount of tokens you could push out a turn is doughnting to say the least. Always love to check out your decks they give me ideas of my own, and i would say that is what you do for the vast mijority of ppl on the site. Keep up the inspiration.+10
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=53996 Nice it would deff be fairly smooth , but take a look at mine see what a third color will do. i know it seems kind of extrem to add just one color for the harbaraz druids but it excells the deck 10 fold. imagin drawing 16 cards with sea gate loremaster and then droping ur hand with the harbraz druids. i have done it in a tournoment. the other guy cried. Multi player gets kind of mean too i have milled out 3 ppl in one turn with it. even nastier i think.
yeah i can see were tectonic edge is better, hm now that i think alittle more about it i put quick sand in there bc i normaly have problems with fast like RWD decks but i just realized that it with this i would be faster haha.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=119620
Thanks man but props go to u, hey i took ur idea and made it standard from what i would put take a look at it and see if you like it. I only made a few adjustments but take a look none the less. I am deff going to putting this deck to gether.
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