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which is why you use Angel's Grace and Spoils of the Vault instead :)

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it is negative card advantage, but it typically results being able to choose how your opponent interacts with you or your board for the next turn or so, and at the very least provides you with perfect information. you can also target yourself to dump an extra Leyline (or something)drawn late game and draw something relevant, which is not negative card advantage at all. regardless, this has become a stale point.

go read my initial comment. "the ability on the card is what makes it a top card, not the body" The card would still be an expensive card if it were an instant speed spell with the same ability on no body. it would not be $50+, but it would be over 30, because people play Clique for the ability.

MY argument was that the ability to flash in a hand hate spell is the most relevant part of the card, and the 3/1 flyer is an afterthought. Lurking informant does not do anything near that. Youre just talking out of your ass.

I stated multiple times that its instant speed is what makes it relevant. Try again? go fist your grandma kid.

no. you lose the ability, and its unplayable. you lose the body and it is still a top 2 hand hate card.

that ability at that speed is what makes it a top card, not the body. You get to look at their hand in their draw step, and if you need to protect your combo, or whatever, you force them to bottom a hate card, and gamble that they draw another one. Vendilion Clique would be a $35-40 card without that body. the power/toughness is an afterthought. Lifebane Zombie is a 3/1 with a similar ability, and it is an $8 card, and that is only because it is in standard. ittl be a $1 rare once it rotates. if you could flash it in, the price would skyrocket. EVERY player who plays Clique knows that it will not survive in a world full of lightning bolts, helix, and electrolyze, so if its going to die immediately, then why play it at all?

you cant thoughtseize someone in their drawstep. I dont think you fully understand why Clique is a top card.

^lol @ this. Clique is not a $55 card because it is a 3/1 flyer. being able to steal their draw step by flashing it in and gaining full knowledge of the turn, and being able to disrupt anything they have that can change the game is. the ability is ABSOLUTELY worth UU.

I had a deck for a while that could win on the upkeep of turn 4. you play a turn 3 Lab Maniac, and if he lives until your upkeep, you cast Angel's Grace, and then cast Spoils of the Vault, naming purple unicorn (or any card NOT in your deck) and win when you move to draw

selesnya sanctuary is not standard

Mogis would probably be a better fit. Fanatic just seems awkward here, with so few red mana symbols

fanatic of mogis seems bad here. game 1 the most devotion you are likely to have is 3-4 when you cast it...not bad, but there are better things to do with 4 mana..

Myr Retriever interacts very well with Heartless Summoning and Falkenrath Noble. So well, in fact, that ist an instant win if your opponent cant kill your noble.

Goryo's Vengeance works on him because he only has protection from colored spells when he is on the battlefield.

you have a blue deck, in the modern format, based on stealing dudes....and it does NOT have Vedalken Shackles in it? Im sad.

And yes, the emrakul shuffle is a trigger, and all triggers use the stack

Here is my current emrakul list. It is very similar to the one played at a recent large event,but I switched the mana base a bit.
http://www.mtgvault.com/ninjastyle612/decks/fists/

The emrakul trigger still resolves, it just resolves with goryo's vengeance in the yard instead of emrakul

Goryo's vengeance is an instant. You respond to the emrakul shuffle trigger and snag him before it resolves