Very nice. I like this one a lot more :) First of all, you're using Stoneforge for Bonehoard and SoBM, which is awesome. I still think Bitter Ordeal would work with DoJ or Damnation, but I like the mill and discard control with Haunting Echoes much more.
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This is crazy good! I've always played WW as pure, thoughtless aggro. It's funny that I never thought to take a good look at the white creatures available to play control, too. @Buddysystem, with regards to my last comment on your WW. Since Joe is running a hefty amount of 3 cmc creatures, Aether Vial is king in this deck. There's a fine line but huge impact between 2 and 3 CMC drops and their affect on your mid game tempo, and Aether Vial allows you to completely ignore that. Your deck is almost all 1 & 2 cmc drops.. so.. that's pretty much what I meant by my comment. Back to Joe, since you are running a full set of Vials, what do you think about Voidstone Gargoyle in place of Revoker? I don't know how consistent it would be but I do know that whenever I ran a full set of Vials I'd always wind up with one or two that don't do anything all game, and those could easily charge up to 5 for Voidstone. It's much better control, imo, but the only downside is the timing of it. Revoker might be more useful because you can get it second turn instead of fifth. Just a thought.
I just made a WW deck for modern (MoWW, in my profile) that runs Freeblade, Blademaster and the Cleric. Like yours, it's not meant to be an ally deck, but white allies are too damn good not to run in WW. I got to play test the deck last night, against goblin aggro nonetheless, and it is a LOT better than I thought it would be! Kinda sad to see Wayfarer leave this deck, but I have to agree with the change :) One of the problems WW faces is outpacing other decks early on but then failing to keep up late game. Exalted is awesome in that regard. Also, Aether Vial is sick, but do you really need it in WW? You're looking at dropping it first or second turn, which means replacing a creature drop, then tap it second or third turn to put a creature onto the battlefield. Then your hand is empty and you have full mana floating around. All it really does is slow you down a turn. Vial is best used in decks with a lot of 2-4 drop creatures, which are cheap but take an entire turn's worth of potential to cast. Not to beat a dead horse, but Basilisk Collar would be 100% better ;)
So, I mentioned to Joe about playing modern on ML. Would you be interested as well? If not modern, I'd be down for legacy too. Thing thats been holding me back is distance to get to any legacy events (and maybe in the future, modern as well), but ML pretty much solves that :D
Haunting Echoes is something I forgot to mention in my very long comment. It costs more, but might be more effective with an MBC build for extractor, discard and removal with other extraction splashed in, and Haunting Echoes in place of Bitter Ordeal.
It's not Sure's translation. If the poem is 2,000 years old, chances are it's been translated by some monks in some monastery during the renaissance. And you know how monks love to f*** with people.
Also, to anybody who might view this deck, what is your opinion? I just acquired 4x Phyrexian Obliterators (in the most expensive trade I've ever made), so I made the following changes: -4x Demigod of Revenge -1x Glacial Chasm -1x Swamp +4x Phyrexian Obliterator +1x Phyrexian Tower +1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth The main change was replacing Demigod for Obliterators. There's enough sacrificing going on that I think the Obliterators are overkill, and overkill is good. Following that, I changed my land base for more consistent ramp. I kind of miss Glacial Chasm, though.. that card has saved my ass so many times..
Awesome! Glad you like it ^-^ The best thing I've used Crucible for is OBSCENE ramp in black with Lake of the Dead! Just about any black deck I play can thrive on having just two swamps, LotD, and a Crucible in play. Bloodghast is just the icing on the cake :)
Mystic isn't entirely essential, but she does do two things for the deck that can really set back the opposition. First, as I hinted at above, Kazandu Blade Master + Basilisk Collar can stop a game. First strike and death touch, vigilance and lifelink. It's like Nighthawk on crack :) (Just be sure to hold a Brave the Elements in your hand because he /will/ be the target of every removal spell your opponent has access to) Second, a third turn Batterskull can turn the game around. 4/4 vigilance lifelink makes it insanely difficult for opponents to attack and deal enough damage to make up for all the life gain, and he is a 4/4 beater himself. I think I might be going a little overboard on the whole life gain theme, though, between Pride Guardian and Perimeter Captain.. but I really wanted to try the pair of them out. They might eventually be replaced by more classic weenie and/or Honor of the Pure.
Oh, and one last thing I've wanted to say. For land removal, I've never really been a fan of Ghost Quarter. Sure, it's highly efficient for removing pesky non-basic lands, but I want to strip the opponents land base entirely, not just replace it with something generic. Then cometh Psychic Surgery! Boom. Ghost Quarter just fought its way to the top of my list, right under Strip Mine and Wasteland :)
"http://www.wizards.com/magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ld/144 It's basically Legacy, except all the speed is gone and ever deck got its balls chopped off -_- yesterday by surewhynot" I think you're looking at it all wrong. The format fosters a meta entirely different than Legacy, so Modern hasn't lost any speed nor have its decks been neutered -- Modern never was Legacy and never had any speed to lose ;) So anyways, it was predicted (by Joe I think) that Modern would be creature intensive, and WnB pointed out to me that extractors enjoy the benefits of early game stalls which aren't as efficient outside of Legacy (Ports, Tabernacles, etc..) Any kind of board wipe you'd use to fuel a bitter bomb will also be more expensive, egro would it be appropriate to consider ramp in place of stalls? Like BoP? By way of board wipes, if Modern /is/ creature intensive, I would think Day of Judgment (esp. with 4x Bitterblossom) could drop a decent bitterbomb. It's one turn slower than Pox, but might even fuel a bigger bomb. If DoJ doesn't, then surely Oblivion Stone would, although there we go again, it's two turns slower than Pox and likely requires tapping out for two turns to set up. And following that train of thought further, we have Death Cloud (in place of BSZ?), which is Pox on frickin meth. Onto another thought, maybe Bitter Ordeal isn't cut out for Modern, what else can we use? I'm thinking the under appreciated Sadistic Sacrament might be an alternative. Certainly not in 3-colors though. But, it costs the same, and always extracts for 3. Not exactly ideal when a bitter bomb will usually extract 10-15 cards. Well there's the kicker (literally!). SS on Panoptic Mirror, you get a free 3 cards every upkeep, and can pay the kicker cost as you copy the spell, for the same cost as a bitter bomb, to extract 15. At any rate. I just woke up and am rambling about the various things I've been considering for my own modern extractor. I still like the archetype, but have yet to break into the competitive extraction scene.. so I may be missing the mark entirely.
Weathered Wayfarer is /awesome/! Put +1 Mistveil Plains to recycle your fetch lands & remote farm, or to put another card on the bottom before using Marsh Flats or Stoneforge to shuffle. It's a long shot, but it's been useful in a few games for me before. Allies make white weenie so easy. Freeblade and Blademaster are proper weenies in their own right, even better when you can cast one or two extras! Try out Basilisk Collar for your Blademaster, they are devastating together!
It's cheap and easy. Gain life to turn Serra Ascendant into a killer 1-drop, or power up a few allies. Esp Kazandu Blademaster equipped with Basilisk Collar, that's brutal o.o
Lol yeah. I just decided to swap a few things around. Added Stoneforge and Batterskull, plus a the two life gain defenders.
No Bloodghast, yet I still like it. Super heavy on creature removal, handles aggro, ramp, stompy, and plenty of other shnoz. One question though, why Cruel Edict and not Geth's Verdict? It's instant speed, and causes life loss ;D Does anybody play modern on Magic League? If not, would you be interested in starting something up? I'm sure WnB would be in.
Whoa. I missed your last comment on here >.> Yeah, I just saw you guys talking about Magic League on one of Joes decks. I don't think that's a bad idea! I keep forgetting ML exists, and would be probably the only way to break into Legacy, and help break away some of my naiveté about the format :)
Well damn. Damn. Damn it, Joe! Now I have /another/ $40 card to add to my wishlist... Sinkhole is sick! I keep forgetting that Magic League exists.. Maybe I should look into that and build a deck that isn't constrained by budget, that I likely wouldn't actually purchase. 's really the reason why I always build black around Crucible / Bloodghast / Diabolic Intent / Lake of the Dead.. (But hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it) This looks brutal! An eloquent blend of aggro control. Nether Traiter and Bloodghast make such a nice couple, always makes me smile when I see them together :P
Thanks for that. I'd have missed this deck otherwise ;D
Aye, I was thinking about it. There's so much I wanted to put in here, I had to just decide and make some cuts. This'll probably continue to evolve over time. Glad you like it! :D
Well, you got me thinking about mine again ;P I like the update. Looks pretty sick, and you used my idea for Blood Pet and Basal Thrull too :D
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