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It would be an interesting trick. The thing to be careful with is getting consistent prowl triggers otherwise is could just slow you down.

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Boom =]

Yup! That's the one. IIRC yours was pretty budget friendly. I'm honestly a big fan of Thoughtpick Rouges...it's a very disruptive aggro-control kind of deck.

Can't go wrong with Finks man =]

I think Thoughtpick Rogues is the cheapest at about $350-400, but it's kinda limited in what it can select depending on the frame used. I enjoy it though...the only one of the "lesser" Extraction designs I dislike is BitterStorm. It's just really weird, and it's one of those decks that either removes like....30 god damn cards at once, or just 3 -_-

ANT doesn't surprise me as much as you'd think. That frame has damn near no mana burden, and ANT is also strange in that it doesn't really GET mana burden as a game progresses. And obviously there's not much room to hit it with mana denial. Honestly in some match-ups, that's ANT's biggest weapon, and you'll see a lot of people who don't get intangible factors like mana burden and denial saying "I don't know why, but it just gives me a hard time..."

I personally don't like the direction Fish is taking/has taken...Then again, I don't like Fish (except mine, but it's not really Fish, it's just Merfolk tribal shenanigans)

There really is no way to make any one of the unholy trinity without forking over at least a grand. It kinda sucks because I get all these people messaging me telling me they want to get into Extraction and they ask if I can check out their deck. I just cringe at those now because I want more than anything for more people to get into extraction...but not only is it hard to play, the three best frames are expensive as hell.

There ARE less expensive frames for extraction, like Epic Extract, Millstraction, Thoughtpick Rogues, and various lesser versions that use bitter ordeal such as Token Blast, Poxtraction (not PAL, but a more basic version), and BitterStorm (just weird). The issue with those is that they're still not really cheap, and they're sadly just not as good as the top three =/

But I digress...I love the changes you've made to this. Not sure about the factories though to be honest. I have to wonder if this frame really needs those as additional "chisels" with all the other tech it runs in the main and SB. I just think it could run the risk of you wishing you had more versatile lands in a dicey situation. As for StoneBlade...I was genuinely surprised by how much mana burden those things carry with them. It's not as much as reanimator or show and tell (and its variants), but it's more than I was expecting. I bet this thing wrecks those decks with all the burden and denial it creates.

Im still trying to figure out what exactly I want to do with the deck, but yeah, I know whatever path this de k takes, it'll be interesting. Ink-Treader is too weird for it not to =]

Surprisingly red has a lot less unbalanced creatures as I thought. Sooooooo, instead I'll have to MAKE things uneven =P

haha oh man, I forgot about this deck. I designed this as a concept deck...basically putting some kind of tangible form to some ideas I had. This deck doesn't even "exist" anymore =P

But yeah, when I designed this thing, I came to the same conclusion, boneyard will often end up as a dead card for a while, and there needed to be more ways to fuel the graveyard. If you look at some of my later renditions of Filth, such as my deck "Pizza", you'll see I fixed the problems =]

In mono black, killing things to reach a higher goal is always an option, and so using "risky" artifacts for stuff like that is no big deal.

We do treat them as legendary, I was saying Spitting Image because of what it could do to a token swarm (It will make your brain hurt so don't think about it too hard =P)

Oh yeah, Witch-Maw is definitely not broken, it's just damn cool. Honestly my favorite Nephilim...it's just so god damn creepy looking, the artwork never stops blowing my mind, and it's ability kicks ass.

Ink-Treader is probably my second favorite, because it too has freaky artwork (seriously find a large picture of it and really LOOK at it...it's weird as hell), but also it's ability, much like Horobi in fact, changes the dynamics of what cards normally do.

Blanket/global effects dude. Eldrazi Monument is one I know he uses, for example.

Well our group actually has a guy with a Norin EDH so good that he only plays it on request O_O

It honestly surprises me that they haven't written in a rule for the Nephilim yet. They are all good, but not broken in EDH (though your Witch-Maw is damn close), and all have very "general-esque" abilities. Now that I know that Ink-Treader will wreck Horobi, I need to start figuring out the other part...how am I going to break this thing? (other than spitting image =P)

YEEEEESSSSSS!!!!

The issue with Kumano is he costs more to play than Horobi, and the key thing is I need to be able to deal with him ASAP. I think Mannichi will do the trick, not his ability (really wish it was a target thing =/) but just the likelihood that a red deck designed the way I'm going to make this one should give Horobi trouble. Plus as I said above, I have a failsafe if I have to =]

And WnB, isn't Norin interesting in ANY game?

Hrm...I might up both port and urborg to 3...that should create the right kind of janky controlling land frame I'm looking for without straining too much =]

Also, if the Mannichi deck doesn't work well enough against Horobi...I now know what will. Here's a hint: remember that our group allows Nephilim to be generals >=}

Actually, damn, his ability is a blanket ability, which doesn't target...Still, I don't have a mono red EDH, and I think it's about time. Red is the king of "target" kind of stuff too, what with burn, pumps, pingers, etc. so the deck would still probably pose a threat =]

I've actually been considering making a Mannichi EDH since he's so unusual. He'd probably work, since I could get him into play before Horobi and nail him before Arty can secure him with indestructibility (if Horobi becomes indestructible, it's basically game over). Plus, red is inherently fast enough to pose a threat before a wipe can happen. The final nice thing about Mannichi is Wumps has been working on a nasty Doran EDH, and Mannichi would wreck it...

At some point I do want to make an Olivia Voldaren EDH...everyone in my group basically gave me rights to it because I'm the "vampire guy" haha.

You probably thought I forgot about this. Aaaaaaand...you'd be right! Sorry man, I completely forgot, and I genuinely feel bad about it.

If you want me to still look through this deck, and/or if you have something else you want me to check out, please let me know =]

While I'm normally a big fan of the bell in your typical discard deck, this...isn't the typical discard deck. This deck is more of a "clock" deck that uses hand manipulation to further its means to and end. It's safe to say that at any given time, the opponent will have a very different hand than they had just a few moments ago. If there's one thing that makes people rage when playing against this...it's that. People go crazy when their hand is constantly changing =P