Do you think proteus staff will be any good in this? You use it on their best creature, and there is some chance that the replaced creature is one they already have in their deck. Worst case you can use it on your own stuff! CHEWRIDA: Thanx for spreading the wonders of the leyline, with luck it will kill the decktypes we've talked about :)
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Wow, so the leyline takes on a life of it's own! DEMONKING28: Do you think proteus staff will be any good in this? You use it on their best creature, and there is some chance that the replaced creature is one they already have in their deck. Worst case you can use it on your own stuff!
Nice produce, considering the restrictions :)
I'll argument for why the leyline can fit into a creatureheavy deck: First of all, the leyline can be built around, cutting some critters and including others, this will also make a deck less vulnerable against surgical/extirpate. Second, in any matchup with creatures, the leyline will allow both players to have only one of each creature, and if your creatures are the biggest, the leyline will work to your advantage. Third, instead of putting it in play at the beginning of the game, keep it on the hand, play one of each creatures only, then at the hight of the game play it, making sure your opponent suffers for having multiple creatures in play.
Hmm, since this is your post, I wont copy/paste the reasons why leyline can be played in creatureheavy decks :)
EXTERMINATUS EXTREMIS: Forgive SOULOFMIRRODIN for disregarding the leyline. I've been posting everywhere about the wonders of that card, so he's stalking me a bit to tell all millers with creatureheavy decks to avoid it. I'll argument for why the leyline can fit into a creatureheavy deck: First of all, the leyline can be built around, cutting some critters and including others, this will also make a deck less vulnerable against surgical/extirpate. Second, in any matchup with creatures, the leyline will allow both players to have only one of each creature, and if your creatures are the biggest, the leyline will work to your advantage. Third, instead of putting it in play at the beginning of the game, keep it on the hand, play one of each creatures only, then at the hight of the game play it, making sure your opponent suffers for having multiple creatures in play. That's the initial way to play it! Now I will move on to why it fits your design much more than others... CRYPTOPLASM: These fun creatures will now work as removal, as you copy your opponents best legendary creature. Pretty fun stuff. KOR SKYFISHER: If you can, aim at putting the leyline in play from your oppeninghand, and you can then speed up the skyfisher, and use the leyline as sweep later. Or lategame you can always remove the leyline with the kor if you can see an advantage in having multiples. SOULOFMIRRODIN: Hope you can see the logic in this case :) And I don't mind you following my posts, as the best way to promote any card is a good old fashioned argument about it's pro's and cons!
CHEWRIDA/SOULOFMIRRODIN: I'll admit that creatureheavy mill isn't my usual area, but I'll still defend the concept of using the leyline in a creatureheavy deck. First of all it can always be put in the sideboard, stored away to be played only when you encounter the right deck. (There are so many in modern that's it's got to count for something) Then you could thin out 1 card from each 4 off making sure that chances are that you just get 1. The reason for keeping the leyline will be the following. If both you and your opponent have a limited amount of creatures in play, it is likely that the one with the biggest creatures will win! So who will have the largest creatures? If the answer is you, then why not use this fact. You can always keep creatures in your hand. You will store them in safety against sweeplike behaviour as you are sort of forced to play it safe, and if your opponent sweeps, they can't just throw down an army to kill you off before you can build your own, so even in a creature-heavy deck the leyline of singularity will be of use. Speaking of sweep, when you get the leyline in hand, you may opt to not play it from your oppening hand, but instead keep it in there as a sweeper, where you carefully pick what you put into play, and as your opponent builds up his creatures to stop/overwhelm yours, you play the leyline and watch any doubles go away, while enjoying that you yourself have not played any doubles at all. If we are talking legacy, the leyline is not that good yet, but I'm working on it. (Karakas is a start, and I'm thinking clones too, or the staff that exchanges a creature in play with the first creature in their library) SOULOFMIRRODIN: You mentioned at a couple of posts that leyline of the void is better against dredge than leyline of singularity. I will have to dissagree. If you mill into several narcomoebas they will suicide. If they have more than one bridges, all their tokens will be gone. They will only be able to have 1 of each critter in play at any time, which really lowers their chances of using their dread return. Dredge will be really uphill against leyline of singularity. With leyline of the void they can always attempt to go ordinary aggro with their deck, by just playing their bloodghasts, and other creatures by ordinary use of lands. (Unless they are a landless version), so in my view the singularity is actually just a wee bit better. And you can always build around the leyline, lessening the amounts of creatures you have, which will also make you less vulnerable to surgical extraction or extirpate.
What's the theme?
STRATEGICMUFFINEXHAUSTED: In the case of card-drawing, the opponent will draw first, thus getting cardadvantage for doing zip. At your turn the cardadvantage disappears, but they had card advantage for a turn, and that's always a bad situation. leyline of singularity is extremely efficient in modern. It takes out tokens, elfcombo, splintertwin, eggs (Second sunrise), drdgelike stuff, and generally slows beatdown a little.
I'd agree with CHEWRIDA on the hedron crab. If it's unmolested it mills a hell of a lot of cards by it's own. I've tested it's range within 5 turns, and without fetch it mills an average of 8.5 cards if left alone. By the way, you wrote somewhere about a milling deck I should comment on! I planned to click on your name to find it, but I only see this deck? Could you do me a favor and link it again, or perhaps constuct it in mtgvaults?
SOULOFMIRRODIN: 9 creatures is not creatureheavy :) (I'm not counting the walls though) MAUMAU: I'll understand the attraction of producing zombies will conflict with the leyline! But if you play modern, consider at least how many decks it locks down: token, elfcombo, splintertwin, eggs (second sunrise will cry) dredgelike stuff and in general beatdown will be slowed a little.
2HP10: You'd be surprised how far I've come with my legacy-variant. I'm constantly on the edge of getting more than 2 wins each tournament, despite of my meta being overflowed with sneakattack, and I have a large list of defeated decktypes in legacy, and since I write everything down at the tournaments I can change my deck pretty fast to follow any changes in the meta. But you've seen my millingdecks, so you know the details I put into it :)
I noticed that your deck isn't legal in standard, so it has to be either modern or legacy that you are aiming for. In modern leyline of singularity locks down a hell of a lot of decks. (I'm compiling a list) It's evil against tokendecks, elfcombo, splintertwin, makes second sunrise really bad in eggs, and stop dredgelike decks from getting the creatures you mill into play. Plus it generally stalls beatdown. And since you don't play 4 of everything it actually fits your deck. If you are more into legacy I can tell you what it can work against there too :)
I don't follow trends, I make them! A bit late to join this thread, but heres the usual copy paste that fits in a mill-talk! In legacy and modern you can use leyline of singularity to stall most creature-decks. Use karakas too in legacy to stall them even more :D Some of the players who enjoy creatures in mill, might want to try out dreamborn muse. Leyline and muse will make them insane!!!
Get rid of howling mine, as your opponent ends up getting cardadvantage from it. For protection against creatures, use leyline of singularity and karakas. Dreamborn muse and leyline may be fun too.
In legacy and modern you can use leyline of singularity to stall most creature-decks. Use karakas too in legacy to stall them even more :D Some of the players who enjoy creatures in mill, might want to try out dreamborn muse. Leyline and muse will make them insane!!!
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