wickeddarkman

My guess is that æther vial will be in it once he gets the card, as it looks like vial goblins without the vial ;)

Oh, yeah, replace glimpse the unthinkable with maddening cacophony, that will let you combo with fraying sanity to mill half of their deck through maddening, and then the other half through fraying.

Thebear:

Cling to dust with loam is pretty cool.
Cling to dust is also one of the major silver bullets against uro.

I'll go through my testdecks to look at the loam designs there. I don't remember any variants with zombies, and I got a lot of eldrazi decktypes from the same collection of testdecks. Are you thinking of bloodghast ? Or maybe gravecrawler ?

I took a look at your decks, and it's cool to see that you are also having 2018 decks.
You even have both eldrazi and loam from 2017, and the 2017 loam looks like the loam I got from 2018. I know I have one with seismic assault in it.

I look at this and think about trinket mage, which can fetch a memnite, ornithopter, colossus hammer, player husk, paradise mantle or shadowspear.

There's also a land, "inventors fair" I think it's named, from the kaladesh cycle, which can retrieve a card from the graveyard, but also gives you lifegain.

Blinking the proliferators is a neat trick :)
I'm wondering how many blink cards are available for this, though soulherder seems like a really nice choice.

Noble hierarch may not produce red mana, but it would allow you to go more aggro with the rest of the deck.

The past also holds a lot of ignored proliferate tech that you could adopt.

I know simian spirit guide is a pet card, but between a bird/noble and the ape you can get ral into play as early as turn 2 and follow him with a turn 3 proliferator. You might even use æther vial to get the same proliferator at turn 2, which would also give you a blocker to protect ral.

And what's with the 8 defeats ?

That's actually good, because I'm working hard on the deck again.
After I built the RW anti mill deck I tested it against all of my mill decks, and the deck that got the best score against it was my shrieker deck.

I've been doing some thinking, and come to the conclusion that the deck now has several ways to reimplement more mill, while still being pretty strong.

Two cards are pretty obvious, overwhelmed apprentice which sort of works as a different sage of Epityr with the capacity for milling included, and stream of thought which loops even better with kolaghan's command.

Since I've gotten the habit of removing 8-9 cards to create new core decks, I will give you a notification when I've reached the goal of testing the deck against all of my 64 testdecks.

That should ensure that it has some resilience against all relevant decktypes :)
In the past I always just played against the 20 most played decks, this time I'm going full scale just to see where it leads me.

So once I get the results I will have to find new cards to test through the same process.
As you will remember, I can test up to about 60 cards at the same test run. My two topmost candidates are stream of thought and dire fleet daredevil. I can also run a test on sage of Epityr versus overwhelmed apprentice during the same test phase, and will be very curious at which card manages to speed up the deck in the best possible way.

If you got any cards to add to the deck I will be very interested in trying them out. You can add combo pieces or strong individual cards, the process can handle it all. There was a time where I actually had a splintertwin combo in it.
The important thing is synergy. The more a card interacts with all the other cards in the deck, the better it will perform.

I've been running a battle between spreading seas and cleansing wildfires, and so far spreading seas is the superior pick.

Sunforger + fervent champion forms a draw engine and fits any RW equipment theme.

I was reminded of something I wanted to say to you.
Then I forgot it again...
It might have had to do with a deck from 2018.
Ah, I remember now...

How did it go with your test run of my "back in 2018" deck ?
Did you discover how to play the split mana ?
Also, was there a lesson you could use in playing with nudging cards like negate ?

Seing your green version I was reminded of a blue green deck with 10 lands, 4 keen sense, 4 curiosity and some bogle tech that I built to show a friend just how low you could build with your lands. He's a pro, so he went on to build a deck with invisible stalker, silhana ledgewalker and geist of saint traft that is still seen in the fringe meta.

I just remembered how millers used remand back in 2011 to counter their own archive trap to protect it from the opponents counterspell.

You see the opponent would just store a counterspell for archive trap to rob you from milling 13 cards.
By countering your own trap with remand you just replay it for free again the same turn, while you might even draw into a second trap by pure luck.

It's a trick that were gone again by the 2018s for some reason, but I just happened to remember it when I stumbled upon a 2011 mill build.

It's also been a while since I've seen the dusk-crank combo ;)

Search for the decktag: wdm mill guide
To find more mill tips.

One thing I've learned is that sometimes decks hibernate for a while and then rise up as pretty much the same.
Most of the time decks go dormant for no apparent reasons, at other times it is clear what holds them back.
Much of the mechanics of what gets played is based on focus. There are a lot of people who doesn't want to do the hard work of thinking the designs through at just go with the popular variant.
Just because pox or loam pox isn't played a lot doesn't mean it's not playable.

The hard work would be to find a time in the format where pox/loam was present at a meta similar of the one today.
Today's meta is focussed on the graveyard, which it also was during 2018

I got both pox and loam as testdecks, but I've also got living end, instant reanimator (goryo's vengeance) hollowvine and other graveyard decks from the same era. They coexisted so to speak, so they would likely have the adaptations to meet each other.

If they coexisted back then, they should be able to do so now.
It's just a matter of studying what went on back then.

I knew I wanted rider for a good reason :)

There are three ways to coax out the perfect number of nether spirits × other creatures in pox.
The first approach is to look at all the 1st place designs throughout time and compare them with the rest of the top 8 to see if there is a pattern. Second you can take all 1st place decks and copy the average number of creatures in them.
Third you play against the meta while measuring the efficiency of the individual cards. (Using paperstrips, like I do)

Of these three method two is the simplest and most easiest way to produce fast results.

In my 2018 pox I think there was 2 nether spirit, 4 mutavault and 8 racks.

I went through it and found that most use only 1 nether spirit or one rider, and then between 2-4 Mutavault.

One deck from the Filipines stood out by using 4 asylum visitor, which I found interesting.

Jens is a Danish name, dagon, not so much.
Cthulhu and vine for the win...

You might be right with akuta, but it's one creature in an attrition scenario. Once he gets loam working, he will have the upper hand.

I don't fully remember what murderous rider does, except that when I saw it, I knew I wanted it. I have forgotten what it did, but knowing that I want it makes it good, so I'll trust your judgement on that one, as you seem to know your stuff :)

Akuta has haste, and you don't need to cast it. It's legendary, so you probably only need one.
Never//return is nice because you get to take out a planeswalker, and if your graveyard gets removed it still had impact on the game.

It think you cast the changeling last to compliment with the last creature type missing. And by having it as a low cost changeling you can probably cast some party trick.

I think when the ad&d set hits the shelves, it will have lots of cards assigned to each party type.
I would also like to have seen a racial based version of the mechanic.
Human, elf, dwarf, faerie and minotaur, perhaps expanded with some more races.
The party mechanic should also have included knight.

And eldrazi displacer!
How could we forget that one ;)

I'd run 4 underworld breach, as it's the one that enables burning inquiry/goblin lore to go berserk.
(Both will have an escape cost of one and will have 3 cards to escape it with and you just keep repeating as long as you have the mana)

I've played sage of Epityr for years :)
It's served me very well in decks with a minimum of fetchlands.
It has become a bit harder to play it since field of ruin started to support ghostquarters, but if played carefully it streamlines your deck. Since this is a blink deck, the sage can continually create value as long as the deck can somehow be reshuffled.
I might start flirting with overwhelmed apprentice for the same reason one day, as I often play mill.

Nah, it's me thinking too fast.
Spreading algae only destroys a land next time it taps. My bad :(