Hokey, that does look to be much fun.
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He empties his own hand and his opponent's hand.Now Ensnaring Bridge makes it to where you can't attack him with any of your creatures.PLUS his Guiltfeeder can still attack you! It is brutal.
http://www.mtgvault.com/magiccontroller/decks/meanest-multi-discard/That is what I was talking about.It is vicious. It has beat me, in person, over 10 times. That is where I got the idea.
Which do you think is better?Hunted PhantasmBeast Within
Joking aside. One of the best uses I have seen of Aluren.Very nice, got my vote for just that alone.My Tolarian Entrancer deck...i just found Beast Within. Evil genius stuff, right? Maybe...anyways, wonder where I could fit it in. Recheck it out? If you get the time.Going to need help soon with a new deck...trying to make a Timberpack Wolf deck. Check these few cards to get the idea of what I want the deck to do:Timberpack Wolf/Infinite ReflectionJoraga Warcaller/Master BiomancerNot sure where to take it. First thought....kobolds, right? Memnite, Phyrexian Walker, free Kobolds. Load the deck with free creatures. Pump down a Timberpack Wolf. Then put an Infinite Reflection down. Loads of Timberpack Wolves!Not sure where it will end up at :)
And with Tolarian Entrancer...the negative side of Beast Within (the opponent getting a 3/3 creature for free) isn't too bad when you consider you can steal him.But is it better than Hunted Phantasm? A 4/6 unblockable that gives you a chance to steal 5 1/1 creatures. Or Beast Within? A card that is going to kill your opponent's very best card on the field, and give you a chance to steal a 3/3 creature. Really hard to say.
Some tourney winning decks have been 62 and 63 cards.Go figure. It irks me though, and I have to keep my decks at 60. So yeah, I hear you.
What about Beast Within?!Just found this guy! That could be brutal, right? Destroy one of their permanents and then steal their 3/3 creature! What would you take out?
Aluren.Don't think that I don't notice what you are doing there, sly joker!
I would agree with that. Kazzong, over 2,000 posts?You are outpacing me! :)
And i speak of this from person.I have a friend that has a deck close to what I just described. He killed me so many damn times!!I would be taking 5 damage from Nihil Stone by turn 3, every game! Every single turn, 5 damage! And if he ever got out his Guiltfeeder...i would start crying. lol. And I had a red/black discard deck with Burning Inquiry, The Rack, and Liliana's Caress. He showed me what I am trying to tell you:1) Use lots of discards spells (16-or more discard cards)2) Make them discard every turn3) Stuff like Nihil Stone is much quicker then Caress/Rack/Quandary
Stuff like Court Officials is better than, in my opinion, stuff like Specters.Ravenous Rats are really good too, it does the same thing as Court Officials. You have no creature hate.I might consider this. Adding in 4 Diabolic Edict. It can kill indestructible and hexpoof creatures. I would take out the Painful Quandry and Sangromancer. They both work if your opponent casts spells. But, why the hell is your opponent casting spells to begin with? If you are fast enough with your discard, they will run out of cards before being able to play much of anything. SO those cards cost a lot of mana, are slow, and rely on your opponent to cast spells. Also, 4 Diabolic Edict will give you more 2 mana cards in your deck. You have 22 cards that cost only 1 mana...but only 7 cards that cost 2 mana. So that helps balance out your mana curve. Now...if you have done all of that...your highest mana card is now only 3 mana. So you don't really need Cabal Coffers. Not if you aren't running 4 and 5 mana cards. Have you looked into Guiltfeeder? It is 5 mana, but is brutal in this deck! I might add 2 of them in replace of Cabal Coffers. It has Fear (This creature can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or black creatures.)Whenever Guiltfeeder attacks and isn't blocked, defending player loses 1 life for each card in his or her graveyard.Guiltfeeder is 0/4. Which sucks, right? But here is where he rocks in this deck: "defending players loses 1 life for each card in his graveyard."Play him on Turn 5. On Turn 6, if your opponent has 5 cards in the graveyard then Guiltfeeder does 5 damage. IF your opponent has 8 cards in his graveyard then Guiltfeeder does 8 damage. If your opponent has 10 cards in his graveyard, then he does 10 damage.So...with Quest for the Nihil Stone...lots of discard cards to charge the Nihil Stone up/make your opponent lose all his cards. PLUS Guiltfeeder being pumped up because of all the cards your opponent is discarding (plus if he plays any sorcery/instant spells that just adds to the number of cards he has in the graveyard)...it is a brutal combination.Much better than stuff like The Rack, or Liliana's Caress, or Painful Quandry. Goodluck.
Hokey, Hokey, Hokey, Hokey. Suggesting stuff like Mana Drain in budget decks and now giving and taking away my feelings of vindication for choosing Hidden Strings in my deck.You are no longer my friend! :)
O dear god! Don't tell me that! I originally had Hidden Strings in it.I had 1) icooper 2) lotusbloom 3) Puschkin all tell me to take it out!People make up your minds!Guess it is 3-2 against Hidden Strings (for Sigil of Sleep). Wish I could give you 5 likes for suggesting a card that I had so much trouble taking out of my deck, because so many other people suggested I take it out. Makes me feel less stupid, lol, for choosing Hidden Strings in the first place. Thanks.
Taunting Elf. Idea was that I found myself desperately needing a first turn drop. And I had a lot of blue mana cards already in the deck, and very little green cards. I thought maybe, with Taunting Elf, it would be another card that I could use with Infiltration Lens and Gaseous Form. Taunting Elf + Infiltration Lens + Gaseous Form equals lots of draw power. But maybe it doesn't really work, because my Tolarian Entrancer is suppose to be stealing all of their creatures anyways. That is 6 mana total to draw cards. Same issue with the Fog Bank...not sure why i added him. Originally i thought early game creature protection. He could keep creatures from hurting me. But again, my Entrancer is suppose to steal all their creatures. Will definitely look at some of your suggestions! Thanks for the advice, as always. Edit: Changes made. Xantid Swarm and Sheltering Ancient in. Taunting Elf and Fog Bank out.
Thinking maybe Fog Bank is the weak card in this deck. It has no synergy/doesn't combine with any of the other cards. May take it out and add green cards, to better balance out my mana occurrence. Not sure what to add in...or what I am missing in the deck. Could put the Naturalize in, for casual play. Or maybe something else, anyone have any suggestions?
Yeah, I figured...if your opponent keeps attacking with all of his creatures, every turn, then Tolarian Entrancer is useless. Attacking with a Jangling Automaton and Tolarian Entrancer on the same turn ensures you get the chance to steal some creatures. The Orchard card, very tricky indeed. Where did you see that one?
IF you are going for a pure discard deck...it should be about speed. Lots of discard cards. A second turn Hymn to Tourach/Chain of Smog or second turn Duress/Inquisition is way faster than Liliana's Caress.What I mean is, in my opinion/experience, you want your opponent discarding a card/card EVERY SINGLE TURN. If you play a second turn Liliana's Caress you are allowing your opponent to cast a creature/artifact/enchantment on his second turn. I would consider these changes, and then test it against your friends.Take out the Shimian Specter, the Liliana's Caress, and the Mind Twist.Add in 3 Dark Ritual, 3 Quest for the Nihil Stone, 3 Funeral Charm. Imagine this, my friend:1st Turn. You Play a Swamp. You play a Dark Ritual for 3 mana. Now you play Quest for the Nihil Stone for 1 mana. You have 2 mana left. You then pay 1 mana to use a Funeral Charm on your opponent (he discards 1 card) and it puts 1 counter on the Nihil Stone. Now you have 1 mana left. You pay it to play Thoughtseize (he discards 1 card) and it puts another counter on Nihil Stone. ((((Or you could play Dark ritual, thoughtseize, surgical extraction. That is brutal too))))))On the very 1st Turn you have:Fully charget Quest for the Nihil Stone, when your opponent runs out of cards, he is going to take 5 damage every upkeep!!!Dropped your opponent down to 5 cards. If he plays a land and a creature on his 1st turn, then he is left with only 4 cards on his second turn!!!!Made him lose two of his very best cards on your 1st turn, hugely disrupting him and giving you the tempo advantage. 2nd turn. You now play a swamp and play Hymn to Tourach, and your opponent is down to 2 cards!!!Opponent's 2nd turn: He plays another land and another creature. He is out of cards, and is going to take 5 damage each turn from Nihil Stone. He will be dead in 4 turns.
Early bird gets the worm.
This is a very neat deck. Hoping a lot of people offer advice and support the deck. Tell me what you think! I will try to return the favor. Good luck, Magic Players!
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