I'm trying to establish a forum for fully competitive millers, and you are within the category.If you know of others worthy of such a forum, give me their name and I'll list them as possible members.First attempt at a layout is here:http://www.mtgvault.com/wickeddarkman/decks/forum-competitive-modern-mill/
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Expensive cards are expensive because they are good. It's been proven plenty of times that decks with value tend to win more than decks without value. I've personally spent around 5 years to get top 8 in legacy, using only commoncards, and the closest I ever got was to get an average of 2 wins out of 6 battles, and I'm pretty intense/involved once I start up on a project. Several times pro-people have had no idea what to play, so they've taken what has gotten to be called "good stuff", smashing random value into a deck and see where it got them, and they've won with it due to a surprise effect. Value wins. It's sad but it's the truth...When I build decks, I rarely build them based on value, and in fact I almost always pick cards not used by the pro's,but regardless of that, my builds often seem to have a high price, which is unintended. Magic as a hobby is not cheap! Budget decks don't win that much because they are restricted in what you can put into them, and budget cards are cheap because the cards are not wanted by the larger community, aka they are not considered good cards.I'm the sort of person who would root on the budget deck versus the pro-deck, but reality doesn't make that happen a lot, so as a winning strategy budget decks is not cutting it, and that's a fact.Now this place attracts different people from different layers of magic, and the largest group will always be the happy newcommers who've just been taught the game and wants to show the world what they've made in order to get advice or brag about it. Then we get the skilled players who've been through the magic cauldron and still likes the game despite that they've been beaten senseless by pro's. And the pro's themselves are here to find equalminded people but knows that it's a haystack, so often tries to be silent so they won't become mentors, wasting valuable time on noobs.What we really need is a split between groups, which can be done by tags. There is the obvious need of a "competitive" tag which I have tried to build up in mill. I mark my own decks with stuff like "experimental", "competitive", "very competitive" or "near competitive". A serious part about being competitive is that you win, so people should only use the tag "competitive" if their deckdesign has actually won in a tournament.A split in level will mean that people will get thrown out of conversations if they do not know their stuff, and eventually pro-decks will be talked about by pro-players, while budget stuff will be talked about by the less competitive players. It will reflect on the top-converstaions, as budget players are simply more numerous, so when you seek out pro's, you will actually have to search posts with less likes...-May evolution evolve your extremeties
Don't bother SORIN-man, the hot pages in here are usually those that have long boring conversations about this and that, and keeps being discussed because nothing cool happens at the rest of the pages :D
Erhm!We ****, and you are the one named sorin markov?How on earth did thatplot twist happen?Very ironical...
It's actually fun that my milldecks have beaten designs like this a lot :DAs far as I can see ætherling is the newest innovation in here (Perhaps your pick?)I can't remember seeing faerie conclave in these decks, and elspeth's a rarity as well.If i was to steal any of this for use in jeskai-mill, it would be electrolyze, remand and supreme verdict.possibly dispel and condescend as well if I ever made a countercapable mill.
Keep data on how well jace works for you, then stay with what works the most :D
Modern is 51% aggro, and in both combo and control there is a lot of use of creatures. I'd say it's pretty creature dependant :D
Chancellor is a very fun card!I hate having useless cards in my hand, which is why I run a single archive trap. When I run two I usually get stuck with 1 in hand. So running 3 chancellors is done by me for the sake of having something reliable. I lose steam lategame but get to lock down the opponent early with surgicals. Chancellors work more in your favor than against you as long as you run exactly three of them. If you want to test out this "theory" just use some paperstrips and put inside the sleeves with the chancellors. Whenever you draw then during your opening game or cast them via shelldock isle (or even hardcast them) put a smiley on the strip, and whenever you draw one never put to use mark it with a sad face. First type of smiley to reach 10 will show you if the chancellors work :DI tend to build designs that win before sideboard, so my solution against decks like burn is to mill them faster than they can burn me. I'm in the middle of trying to beat affinity, elves, infect and merfolk solidly, so I have a bit reliable data on a couple of cards.Archive trap: I run 1 because I play no path's, but in your case I would try out using 3.mesmeric orb: Against my 4 major testdecks 1 seems to be the best number, so try out 1.augur of bolas: the majority using it uses 3. Use it only at major tournaments (100+ players), use snappy at local meta.mind funeral: esper builds uses 2-3 of these.hedron crab: I only use 2, since most of the time it is evaded, trampled or shot. Try out 3.Following these advices you will end up with 2 empty slots.Test 2 maindeck spellskite with those spaces.
Nice switch :DI do like the addition of dreamborn muse. It adds more blocking as well as longterm mill.The master of esperdecks, godica has had spellskite in his sideboard for ages, and recently some milldecks have won top 8 with it in mainboard. Perhaps 4 spellskite, 4 hedron, 4 jace's and 4 dreamborn could lead to something??? (You will need to toy with that idea on you own!)
Now don't get me wrong here, I do like the deck, but why on earth play with taplands???It will get steamrolled by affinity, infect and other fast aggro...It's not claiming to be a budget deck in the tags, so why stall yourself???
He's probably curious too :DI know I was curious, and could see the general idea because I've spent time with "bouncerdecks" before.And it's mill. I haunt mill...
He's probably curious too :DI know I was curious, and could see the general idea because I've spent time with "bouncerdecks" before.
One thing that's missing for certain is phyrexian crusader which has actually been used in a milldeck that won top 8:http://tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=14182&iddeck=104425
One thing that's missing for certain is phyrexian crusader which has actually been used in a UBR milldeck with pyroclasm
I don't know if this will be helpfull or not, but archive trap + fertillid is one possible addition to this deck.Fertillid is the only card in magic that allows you to activate a forced search, so is perfect with archive trap.Fertillid may also act as a beater.
Ditch traumatize!No milldeck has gotten top 8 with it.
It's fun how people sometimes get the same ideas.I've tested a lot with mill against infect, and at a point I considered to put in some infect creatures to block other infect creatures.The only problem is that there really isn't enough cheap flying infecters to make it a viable counterstrategy.How did you come across mill/infect as a theme?
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